....almighty YAHWEH....

[Cyklops]

Originally posted by BRIAN66
CYCLOPS says there was no covenant with ISRAEL as it did not exist...my posting mentioned THE LAW OF MOSES not ABRAHAM ..and PAUL mentioned the law of MOSES and called it THE FIRST COVENANT..and GOD himself said i will make a NEW COVENAT with the houes of ISRAEL not like the one that i made with them when i brought them out of EGYPT because they did not keep my COVENANT ...so GOD DID make a covenant with ISRAEL H m ?..CYCLOPS lack of knowledge of what the BIBLE really says is letting him DOWN,BRIAN

Now your chatting shyt. The original jews were descended from Ibrahim who was Persian. The "covenant" with Ibrahim was what God had with him. Moses was part of the mechanism by which this wasa rea;lised- freedom from slavery etc.

Anyway I don't accept anything from your bible, which you also say is inaccurate and contains errors from translation. And who is paul- the guy that writes about Isa yet never met him or even was alive when Isa lived? Its people like paul who started this falsehood of saying Isa claimed divine heritage. So when people like you burn, paul will be held responsible too.

[BRIAN66]

CYCLOPS said ABRAHAM was a PERSIAN..and PAUL was not alive when JESUS was there...well most well INFORMED people accept that JESUS died around 32/33 A.D and PAUL was well over 40 when he appeared before the EMPOROR NERO who began his reign in 54 A.D and Sooooo ! SIMPLE mathmatics would show us that PAUL was alive when JESUS was there just take 40 away from 54 AD and what do you get ? you get 14 A.D WHICH WAS 19 years before JESUS died in 32/33 A.D simple mathmatics that a reasonably educated child could do..BRIAN

[BRIAN66]

CYCLOPS said that ABRAHAM was a PERSIAN........ OH DEAR ! OH DEAR ! ABRAHAMS descent can be traced to NOAH, was NOAH a PERSIAN to H m ? ! ! ! BRIAN ! ! !

[christy]

Originally posted by Cyklops

Whats the relevance of this ayat here? The jews had behaved improperly. They are being described as being apes for what they had done. This wasn't meant to be taken as a literal meaning.

Let me give you an example, when people behave apallingly, they are sometimes described as being "junglee" or like "animals". Obviously this doesn't mean the people who mis-behaved were raised in a jungle or are animals. You get it?

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Please answer this one question: when in the history of the Jewish race did the Jews ever BEHAVE like Pigs and monkeys?

Where can we Jews and Christians read about this episode in Jewish or Midlle East history?

In what way did the Jews behave that they stood out as behaving like pigs and apes?

Did only a few of them turn into pigs and apes or a lot of them, like 50% or 75% of the Jews?

Did they eat food like pigs do, or did they climb trees like apes do?

How did they show thier pg and ape characteristics so that others who saw them behave that way were able to laugh at them? Remember Allah not only turned them into pigs and apes, but he also CURSED them.

In what way did the curse come on them? How did the cursed Jews behave different from the rest? Or did Allah curse all the Jews in the world?

[christy]

[quote]Originally posted by Cyklops

[i]The jews were different in that Allah sent them the most number of prophets

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You mean to say that the Jews are loved more by Allah than he loves Muslims?

If that is so, then Allah loves Musa and Isa, than he loves Mohammad!

No wonder Allah is favoring the Jews still!

I am looking at the 5 wars that the Jews won after they became a sovereign nation. Four to 6 million Jews faught against over 120 million Arab-Muslims and the Jews won all five times and also took over MORE LAND from the Arabs, than they ever had before!

Another SIGN that Allah is still favoring the Jews is this: The Jews have the most powerful weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East. Actually the NUKE power they have has the power to OBLITERATE the whole world twice over.

[Babrul]

[quote]Originally posted by christy

Originally posted by Cyklops

Christy, are u a real christain or are you just a lost case? see if your were, then you would follow the way Jesus (AS) acted....which was with his head!! i.e when did he go around criticsing and drumming up hatraed against others??? I think you just don't know who Jesus (AS) was, you are just a sheep, a follower with no understanding!! think before u speak, ask yourslef, by u writing what you wrote above, what religious good have u done, do u really think god will give u a reward for it??
Yes I understand the same can apply to a muslim or a jew or any other people of religion....but i am asking you directly!!

[christy]

Originally posted by BRIAN66
CYCLOPS said that ABRAHAM was a PERSIAN........ OH DEAR ! OH DEAR ! ABRAHAMS descent can be traced to NOAH, was NOAH a PERSIAN to H m ? ! ! ! BRIAN ! ! !

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Christy says this: If Abraham was a PERSIAN, then Jesus was a PERSIAN too. Why? Because Jesus IS CALLED Son of Abraham by descent!

Also King David has to be Persian too! Because David is also son of Abraham!