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Old 15th February 2004, 20:16
Marawak_3 Marawak_3 is offline
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I agree in some respects Amu, because I can see many Pros to the building of housing as well.....

..... I gave her those ideas solely because she has chosen to show the Cons of the idea. I didn't realise we were actually debating it here!!!!!

But if she gives the Obvious Cons (which will majoritively be the short term effects etc), and the thinking behind events that could be Cons in many years to come, it will show her teacher that her intellect is very wide.

I hope you are right that London will become full of trees one day, and I hope that I am reincarnated as a squirrel should such a time come

Star has it nailed .... boring the opposition is a key tactic
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Old 15th February 2004, 23:17
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Only no 5 is good then. The development will happen somewhere in canada as they seek to expand thru immmigration.

Therefore its in all canadians interest to manage growth for the betterment of all.

You can give the argument against but if its going to happen somewhere then the arguments resolves around where and why not in one place rather than another.

Why not give a rounded view - then its possible to create questions and answer then from whichever point you want.

One thing seems certain - there will be increase in numbers of canadians. You can close your eyes and hope not or base your argument on this aspect of social change for the short term needs to cut down trees. Otherwise you will be implicitely arguing against immigrants of which canada is built.

You want to come back as a flying rat.
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Old 16th February 2004, 01:07
amee_patla_na amee_patla_na is offline
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Well thank you very much, ASB & Mawawako!!!

Star, get outta here. Dont you have some Eminem films to direct or something?

Amu If I argue pros then I shall be defying everything I believe in. Im an environment maniac. You litter infront me and Ill get your ear for it. Trees & forests need to be protected because of the obvious reasons.
Canada doesnt need immigrants. We have a lot of space yes, but much of it in inhabitable unless you plan on emigrating to a place where the average temp is below 0.
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Old 17th February 2004, 04:54
amee_patla_na amee_patla_na is offline
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Good news boys

I made it to the school-wide debating contest thang. With no help from Star. . I actually didnt have to debate anything. I won via acclamation.

Errm well now that its the whole school thang, they aint gona tell us if we're gona be pros or cons. So I need points from both perspectives, something you guys have already done!! Youre one step ahead of me!

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

I also need points for either pro or con as to:
Technology (Computers etc) should be the only means used in modern society.
Im not quite sure if thats it...but I think it is.

I really do like you all with the exception of Star of course!!
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Old 17th February 2004, 05:10
Marawak_3 Marawak_3 is offline
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About the New Debate regarding Technology:

The ONLY argument for this is the CON argument and it is for obvious reasons:

- Humans need to be there for when technology fails..... a human can look to find a new solution to a problem should it arise, computers cannot if they're bust. Take Aircraft as an example.... a passenger plane could easily be flown 100% by computer. If the technology can go wrong.... a pilot can rectify it.

- Technology is manufactured.... knowledge is earned. A piece of equipment is made to fulfil a particular funtion; humans can do a wide variety of things and thousands of functions while considering thousands of others, and they are only limited by the experience they have and the will to learn.

- Technology makes the biggest cock-ups

- And of course, the more functions that they fulfil useing computers, the less employable people become in a world that has no vacancies..... the unskilled especially will be out of the race. Poverty and other social issues ensue.....

- Then theres the possibility of a Terminator situation.... bad bad bad
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Old 20th February 2004, 01:01
amee_patla_na amee_patla_na is offline
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THANKS MARTIN!!!!!!

I need pro arguments. and I stated the Q wrong I think. the proper Q is "electricty & computers should be an integral part of our society" basically how it is now. for ex, when the big blackout happened here, we were so helpless. it was horrible. so yeh....need pro arguments please.

and I need more pro arguments for the urbanization thing. PLEASE.

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Old 20th February 2004, 13:20
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So you being a recent immigrant or 2nd generation to canada already want to close the door behind you.

Whether its wanted or not immigrants will arrive since the door can never be shut and the governing systems in place are better than elsewhere eg bangladesh, that its too attractive not to try and get there.

Taking this into account it would be best if the environment was adapted to cater for the new arrivals rather than try to squeeze them into current housing.

Unless there is currently an oversupply.

In london there has been a boom in housing - converting multi storey office buildings (10-15 floors), warehouses, factories into flats as well as building new flats and houses - yet demand still outpaces supply - forcing prices sky high.

This severly affects the recruitment of health, education, emergency, civil administration (public sector workers) etc who make the governing system so attractive to immigrants.

Provide more housing - this should eventually reduce prices to allow those public workers be able to afford to live adequately in the city they help to prosper.
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