Um Kulthoom and the shia hadiths

[KI]

UM Kalthoom, The Daughter of Ali:

One of the major embarassements to Shi'ites, is the fact that Ali [ra] gave his daughter Um Kulthoom to Amirul-Mu'mineen Omar bin al-Khattab as a wife. This, if indicative of any, is an indication that Ali [ra] had no hard feelings toward Amirul-Mu'mineen Omar, to the contrary, he named three of his sons in the following order: Abu Bakr, Omar & Othman. A fact, the Shi'ites hate to mention, and actually seldome mention them, or attribute any virtues to them, simply because it will ruin the myth that the Jew Ibn Saba' fabricated for them. Let us examine what they have to say about this marriage:

(1) "(Narrated) Ali bin Ibrahim, from his father, from Ibn Abi Umair, from Hisham bin Salim and Hammaad, from Zurara, from Abu Abdullah [as] in reference to the marriage of Um Kalthoom, said: That is a **** we were forced to give up."
al-Kafi (fil Furoo'): al-Kulainy, Book of Nikah, Chapter: Marriage of Um Kulthoom, vol. 5, p. 346, Narration 1.

(2) "(Narrated) Muhammad bin Abi Umair, from Hisham bin Salim from Abu Abdullah [as] said:
When (Omar) requested the engagement (of Um Kalthoom) from him, Amirul-Mu'mineen (Ali) said to him: She is still young. (Abu Abdullah) said: He (Omar) then met al-Abbaas (the uncle of Ali) and said to him: Why? What is wrong with me? (al-Abbaas) Said: What is it? (Omar) Said: I approached the son of your brother for the engagement (of his daughter), but he turned me down. By Allah I shall backfill Zamzam and leave no virtue for you (Tribe of Hashim) but nullify it, and I shall bringforth two false witnesses testifying that he stole, and shall cut off his right (hand). al-Abbaas then approached him (i.e, Ali) and told him that, and asked him to make him in charged of the matter, which he did."
al-Kafi (fil Furoo'): al-Kulainy, Book of Nikah, Chapter: marriage of Um Kalthoom, vol. 5, p. 346, Narration 2.

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[FYI]

There are already several active threads and it is not possible to answer all simultaniously. I will caome back to this topic some other day.No need for new threds.

[jibbi]

A student of History, especially Islamic History knows that the historical facts were used to be distorted by historians to prove a certain ideology or school of thought. The historians in the era of Banu-Umayya and Banu-Abbas are famous for this habbit.

It is reported by many modern Historians that Umer Bin Al-Khatab's wife, Umm-e-Kulthum was the daughter of Hazrat Ali (as).

Shia Muslims do not accept this as a true fact. This issue has been discussed between Shia and Sunni Ulamas alot of times and every time the result has been in favour of Shias. But still there are certain people who insist that Umm-e-Kulthum (as), the daughter Imam Ali (as) was married to Umer.

Who was Umm Kulthum the wife of Umar? The answer to this question is that She was not the daughter of Imam Ali (as).
There are certain evidences to prove this statement right.

EVIDENCE NO.1

Sunni Historical evidence shows that the marriage of Umm Kulthum and Umar took place in the year 17 Hijri when Umm Kulthum was 5 or 4 years of age. This would put her date of birth to 12 or 13 Hijri.

(History of Abul Fida, vol I p 171, Al Farooq by Shibli Numani, vol II p 539)

Historical evidences show that Hazrat Fatima ( May Allah bless her ) passed away 6 month after the demise of his father, and thus her date of death was in the year 11 Hijri, and that Umm Kulthum were born in the year 9 Hijri.

(Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English Version, Tardition 5. 546, Anwarul Hussania, v3, p39)

Then how is it possible for Umm Kulthum to be born after the death of Hazrat Fatima (as) if the Sunnis claim that she was married to Omar in the year 17 Hijri at an age of 4 or 5 years, that would put the date of birth as 12 or 13 Hijri, which is long after the death of her mother?

EVIDENCE NO.2

Sunni historical evidence shows that Umm Kulthum (the wife of Umar) died before 50 Hijri, since Imam Hasan (as), Abdullah ibn Umar and Sa'ad bin Abi Waqs offered the funeral prayers. Also it is worthy to note that Imam Hasan (as) was martyred in the year 50 Hijri.

(Al Istiab by Ibn Abdul Barr Volume 2 page 795,
Tareekhe Khamees vol II p 318, History of al-Tabri vol 12 p 15)

But then other references show that Hazrat Umm Kulthum ( Blessings on her, the daughter of Imam Ali and Fatima Az Zahra ) were present in Kerballa during the year 61 Hijri. Long after the incident of Kerballa Hazrat Zaineb binte Ali ( blessings on her ) died, then it was that Hazrat Abdullah bin Jafer Tayyar were married to Hazrat Umm Kulthum binte Ali ( blessings on her ).

There is no contradiction to the fact that before Umm Kulthum binte Ali (blessings on her ), Hazrat Zaineb ( blessings on her ) were married to Abdullah bin Jafer ( blessings on him ). Also it is true that till the year 61 Hijri ( incident of Kerballa ) Hazrat Zaineb were alive, and that Umm Kulthum binte Ali were married after the year 61 Hijri to Hazrat Abdullah bin Jafer.

But where does the contradiction lie ? With respect to the first references, the lady married to Omar by the name Umm Kulthum died in the year before 50 Hijri, as Imam Hasan ( as ) had offered her funeral prayers.

This leaves us to believe that the Umm Kulthum married to Omar were infact some other lady and NOT the daughter of Imam Ali (as).

(Roza tul Ihbab Volume 3 page 585, Al Bidayah wa al-Nihayah, Tareekhe Khamees Volume 3 page 318 )

EVIDENCE NO.3

The Sunni scholar Ibn Qutaybah in his book " al Maarif " mentioned that all the daughters of Imam Ali(as) were married to the sons of Aqeel and Abbas with a few exceptions, but he did NOT mention the claim that Umm Kulthum (May Allah bless her) were married to Omar. The exceptions were for Ummul Hasan binte Saeed and Fatima.

(Al-Maarif, Ibn Qutaybah, p 80)

For those who claim that such marriage happened; kindly answer the following questions:

- What was the age for Omar at the time of the marriage ?

- When Omar died what was the age of Umm Kulthum ?

- Could you briefly state the names of the wives of Omar?

- Could you assert to the truthfulness of the character of the person who narrated this story ? ( I am talking about Zubair bin Bakar ) ?

- Do you know how many children were born of Umm Kulthum with the marriage to Omar ?

Now, a big Question arises. Who was this Umm Kulthum then?
It would be appropriate to mention the other wives of Omar at this juncture, not only during his pagan days but also after embracing Islam.

- His first wife was Zainab sister of Uthman b.Mazun.

- His second wife was Qariba, daughter of Ibn Umait ul Makzami, and sister of the Holy Prophet's ( saw ) wife Umm Salma ( May Allah be pleased with her ). She was divorced in 6 A.H after the conclusion of the Truce of Hudaibiya.

- His third wife was Malaika, daughter of Jarul al Khuzai, who was also called Umm Kulthum, also she did not embrace Islam and was divorced in 6 A.H.

On arrival at Medinah he married Jamila, daughter of Asim b.Thabit who was high placed Ansari and had fought at Badr.
Jamila's first name was Asia which the Holy Prophet ( saw ) changed to Jamila on her conversion to Islam. Omar divorcd her also for some unknown reason.

Omar also had other wives namely, Umm Hakim, daughter of al Harith b. Hisham al Makhzumi, Fukhia Yamania and Atika, daughter of Zaid b.Amr b.Nafil.

( Al Faruq - Volume II by Shibli Numani English Translation Pages 340 --> 343 Chapter XIX " His Family" )

It is worthy to note that the author of Al-Farooq , Shibli Numani has easily ignored the daughter of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr. This would explain that truly Umm Kulthum who was married to Omar was not the daughter of Imam Ali, as the correct historical references show, but the daughter of Abu Bakr.

It is also worthy to mention the footnotes that have been included when Shibli Numani claims about the marriage of Umm Kulthum binte Ali ( May Allah be well pleased with her ) in the above chapter.

Here I'll quote it word by word.

"There was another Umm Kulthum who had been his wife but Historians make a clear distinction between the two."
Now as a student of History I would like to pose the following questions:

- Who is this other Umm Kulthum that has been mentioned in the historical references ?

- Is she the same Umm Kulthum that was divorced ( Malaika the third wife ) in 6 A.H ?

- We also know that there were ' two ' Umm Kulthum's as Shibli Numani writes above, correct ?

- Or is she the same Umm Kulthum that is the daughter of Abu Bakr ? If yes then why doesn't the author point out so ? What is the clear distinction then ?

Here is the answer from the historical documents:

After the death of Abu Bakr a daughter was born to him that was named Umm Kulthum.

(History of al-Tabari Volume 3 page 50, Printed in Egypt, Tareekhe Kamil Volume 3 page 121, Printed in Egypt, Tareekhe Khamees Volume 2 page 267, Printed in Egypt, Al-Isaba, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Volume 3 page 27)

Please also do bear in mind that Abu Bakr died in the year 13 A.H as mentioned in the following Sunni book of reference

(History of the Caliphs by Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, page 551Translated into English by Major H.S.Barrett)

This would imply that the original claim made by the first references I gave for the age of Umm Kulthum at the time of marriage of 4 or 5 years would stand correct. Since for Umm Kulthum binte Abu Bakr to be born in 13 A.H and married in 17 A.H would give her an age of 4 years.

Since Aisha was the elder sister of Umm Kulthum binte Abu Bakr, for this reason Omar had sent for Umm Kulthum hand's to Aisha, and Aisha had accepted this.

(Tareekhe Khamees Volume 2 page 267, Printed in Egypt, Tareekhe Kamil Volume 3 page 21, Printed in Egypt, Al Istiab by Ibn(Abdul Barr Volume 2 page 795 Printed in Hyderabad Deccan)

This leaves us no doubt to believe that Umm Kulthum who was the daughter of Abu Bakr was married to Omar and not Umm Kulthum the daugher of Imam Ali (AS).

Apart from what I have disclosed above, there are many more discrepancies for the claim that Umm Kulthum ( May Allah be well pleased with her ) were married to Omar. I have not included them for the sake of brevity.

May Allah Unite us all.

Wasslam

M.Jibran Haider

[FYI]

Br. Jibbi,

Thank you for your clarification of the issue. Now we know the truth.

Keep up the good work.

Was-Salam.

[jibbi]

KI and Fitnacentre:

you started this thread..we answered clearly..and you ran away..!!!

Is this how you debate with others???!!!!

May Allah guide you to the straight path!Ameen!

wasslam
jibran