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Old 9th August 2001, 20:27
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Dawcentre,
Jazat Allah khairan on your post brother. May Allah guides us and our friends the Shia toward his right path. Ameen.
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Old 9th August 2001, 21:27
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I don't understand what do this incident have to do with us. Why are you dragging the Shia in this.

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Old 10th August 2001, 16:42
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I don't understand what do this incident have to do with us. Why are you dragging the Shia in this.

So you disassociate yourself from the Kafirs who call themselves Shias who have produced slander against her?
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Old 14th August 2001, 18:30
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Please answer my question.

And if you did disassociate with what these shias said, would you declair them Kafirun?
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Old 14th August 2001, 18:48
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Evidence please

Thanks interesting post.

But since you claim that all shias accuse aysha of having an affair can you now back it up with some evidence.

Or is it just another lie?
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Old 14th August 2001, 21:22
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I asked dawacentre at the beginning of this post what his intention was for posting these verses.

I knew full well, but rather than guess, I wanted him to bring forward his evil malicious lie.

Dawacentre how many lies are you going to ask forgiveness for?

You claim that shiah's claim that Ummul Momineen Aisha committed Adultry???

May Allah curse the tongue of ANY shia/sunni/wahhabi or any illigitimate son of a whore who says that.

If you can produce ONE shia or shia scholar who has claimed that, I will leave the shia madhab.

You really are a misguided fool. Will your lies ever end??

This is what shia commentators say about these verses:

"The particular incident referred to here occurred on the return from the defensive expedition of the Bani Mustaliq in 5-6 Hijra. At one of the halts, A-isha, the Holy Prophet's wife, withdrew from the camp to cleanse herself in the nearby desert. There she lost her necklace. As it was dark there she took time to discover it. In the meantime the march was ordered. As her litter was veiled, it was not noticed that she was not in it. When she returned to the camp, she could do nothing but wait. She fell asleep. Next morning she was found by Safwan who had been left behind to pick up anything inadvertently left behind. He put her on his camel and brought her, leading the camel on foot. This episode furnished some malicious enemies of the Holy Prophet, particularly the hypocrites, with an opportunity to raise a scandalous storm in order to hurt the feelings of the Holy Prophet. The ringleader among them was the chief of the Madina hypocrites, Abdullah ibn Ubay. Mistah, her uncle, also helped him. Ibn Ubay is referred to as the man who "took on himself the lead among them" to spread the scandal.


Ali ibn abi Talib knew that it was an obvious lie (as said in verse 12), concocted to hurt the Holy Prophet, so he asked Burayrah, the maid of A-isha, to tell the mischief-makers the truth about her mistress. On Burayrah's report the scandal was diffused.


For verse 13 refer to the commentary of verse 4.


Mistah was a sahabi (companion) of the Holy Prophet but because of his role in the incident he was punished by the Holy Prophet. It shows that every sahabi was not righteous. According to Allah's law (indallah) four witnesses have to be produced even if the accusation is true.


People may think it is an insignificant matter to speak lightly of something which damages a person's character or reputation, but with Allah it is a most serious matter in all cases, particularly when it involves the honour and reputation of pious men and women.


Dissemination of scandalous news and gossip is a wide-spread social evil. In modern times it is carried out through books and magazines. (MY ADDITION: or by people like dawacentre)"


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Old 16th August 2001, 21:59
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I asked dawacentre at the beginning of this post what his intention was for posting these verses.

I knew full well, but rather than guess, I wanted him to bring forward his evil malicious lie.

Dawacentre how many lies are you going to ask forgiveness for?

You claim that shiah's claim that Ummul Momineen Aisha committed Adultry???

May Allah curse the tongue of ANY shia/sunni/wahhabi or any illigitimate son of a whore who says that.

If you can produce ONE shia or shia scholar who has claimed that, I will leave the shia madhab.

You really are a misguided fool. Will your lies ever end??

This is what shia commentators say about these verses:

"The particular incident referred to here occurred on the return from the defensive expedition of the Bani Mustaliq in 5-6 Hijra. At one of the halts, A-isha, the Holy Prophet's wife, withdrew from the camp to cleanse herself in the nearby desert. There she lost her necklace. As it was dark there she took time to discover it. In the meantime the march was ordered. As her litter was veiled, it was not noticed that she was not in it. When she returned to the camp, she could do nothing but wait. She fell asleep. Next morning she was found by Safwan who had been left behind to pick up anything inadvertently left behind. He put her on his camel and brought her, leading the camel on foot. This episode furnished some malicious enemies of the Holy Prophet, particularly the hypocrites, with an opportunity to raise a scandalous storm in order to hurt the feelings of the Holy Prophet. The ringleader among them was the chief of the Madina hypocrites, Abdullah ibn Ubay. Mistah, her uncle, also helped him. Ibn Ubay is referred to as the man who "took on himself the lead among them" to spread the scandal.


Ali ibn abi Talib knew that it was an obvious lie (as said in verse 12), concocted to hurt the Holy Prophet, so he asked Burayrah, the maid of A-isha, to tell the mischief-makers the truth about her mistress. On Burayrah's report the scandal was diffused.


For verse 13 refer to the commentary of verse 4.


Mistah was a sahabi (companion) of the Holy Prophet but because of his role in the incident he was punished by the Holy Prophet. It shows that every sahabi was not righteous. According to Allah's law (indallah) four witnesses have to be produced even if the accusation is true.


People may think it is an insignificant matter to speak lightly of something which damages a person's character or reputation, but with Allah it is a most serious matter in all cases, particularly when it involves the honour and reputation of pious men and women.


Dissemination of scandalous news and gossip is a wide-spread social evil. In modern times it is carried out through books and magazines. (MY ADDITION: or by people like dawacentre)"


well fitna centre any responses?

a lit advice for ur benefit, pack up and go.....
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