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Old 31st May 2008, 14:37
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In my opinion, the societies of the Muslim lands during Ottoman times and the western colonial times were in huge darkness. Sufi, pir, gaus, qutub, graves were the basis of our religion. It is not only Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab, but also Shah Waliullah inspired people, Titumir etc. had positive contribution to sweep away the junks of the sufis. Whatever may be the flaws of them, I am sure it is not the flaws for which they are despised, rather they are despised for their strict monotheism that we find in the Quran.

The remnants are still perceptible. I saw people go to the shrines of Shah Jalal, Ajmeer when they are stuck with problems in life, when they do not have child, or when they do have serious illness, or find no job to live with.

The remnants of rituals created by the Muhammad worshippers are still here though in polished forms. Muslims generally arrange for Milads when they inaugurate new building, house, factory, business etc. I thought many a times. What ideas or motives are there for such arrangements?

What I understand is this. We love our possessions, our riches and want then to be secured. Now how can the security be obtained? We think we are not worthy enough to reach near God. So if we say salam to Muhammad, he will intercede for us. As Muhammad is near to God and the Habib of God, we may expect that his requests shall not be ignored. I do not see any other reason or logic. The persons who created these rituals were no foolish persons.
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Old 3rd June 2008, 19:21
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nah, i don't think you're right. Muslims do NOT think they are too far from god, God told us in the quran that all he wants is that we ask, thats all, he wants us to ask. as a matter of fact there is a Hadis that says:

If a muslim turns to allah, allah walks to him
if a muslim walks to allah, allah runs to him
if a muslim runs to allah, allah flies to him

So you know we don't really think that we are far from god.
and why do we do the milad? Well i know the reason but i won't say it since it may offend some people!
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Old 3rd June 2008, 19:31
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hey another thing regardin the starting of this thread, in arabic you will call this guy a krik, which means his brain has problems!

anyway didn't he in the beginning say that there is no alteration to islam in Salafi??? hah! i will prove him wrong right now:
didn't he say no alteration, then why was the name Muslim changed to Salafi (and watever) (thats wat Rasullah PBUH, called himself)-- no alteration, yeah "my back side" (bein polite! i got other things in my head that i would love to say!)

You know i have a feelin that the guys who started this religion tried to make up one just to get some attention.

i prefer to call myself a Muslim, and please tell me if i am breaking any muslim laws, i try not to, but god said humans do mistake and he will forgive them each time when asked for forgiveness!
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Old 5th June 2008, 15:15
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anyway didn't he in the beginning say that there is no alteration to islam in Salafi??? hah! i will prove him wrong right now:
didn't he say no alteration, then why was the name Muslim changed to Salafi (and watever) (thats wat Rasullah PBUH, called himself)-- no alteration, yeah "my back side" (bein polite! i got other things in my head that i would love to say!)
The Prophet peace be upon him called himself the best Salaf in a hadith to his daughter Fatimah may Allaah be pleased with her.

The confusion that you have is because your answer assumes the Muslims are living at the time of our Prophet, when there were no sects, groups, etc and Islaam was pure and free from any shirk and innovations once the deen had been completed. It would have been sufficient to call oneself Muslim then.

But if we were to ask, now, any Muslim from any of these sects with which we differ on account of 'aqeedah, his answer would not be any different to this word. All of them – the Shi’ite Rafidi, the Khaariji, the Nusayri Alawi – would say, "I am a Muslim". Hence, this is not sufficient in these days.

The hadith in Sahih at-Tirmidhi, and also in other books of Sunan and the Musnad of Imam Ahmad narrates that the Prophet peace be upon him said:

"My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one."

The people asked him: "And which one will that be?"

He replied: "The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon right now."

The hadith implies that the 72 deviant sects are still within the fold of Islaam and hence the adherants to these scts are Muslims.

It is clear that the saved sect is the one that is upon the 'aqeedah (Creed) and manhaj (methodology) of the Prophet peace be upon him and his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them all), that is, the followers of the Salaf us-Salih, and to describe this whole statement in one word, it is the "Salafees (followers of the Salaf)" who are upon the Right Way.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 11:47
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Assalam o alaikum,

As i have read the introduction of Salafi Dawah in which they have mentioned
to follow according to Quran and sunnah, this is one of the great reallity they have exposed, but my question is, why have u named

yourself "Salafi/Wahabi", where as Allah says: Allah has named u muslimeen before the revealition of the Holy Quran and in the Holy Quran too ( al hajj- verse no, 78) ( Muslimeen is plural form of Muslim), Why did u not follow this

verse of the Holy Quran? it shows u r the another sect, for this we must know that making sect is strictly prohibited according to the Holy Quran ( al imran, verse no- 103, 105 & 106, al inaam, verse no- 159) the thing which is strictly prohibited in the Holy Quran, u are acting upon.

As i have read the introduction of Salafi Dawah in which they have mentioned
to follow according to Quran and sunnah, this is one of the great reallity they have exposed, but my question is, why have u named

yourself "Salafi/Wahabi", where as Allah says: Allah has named u muslimeen before the revealition of the Holy Quran and in the Holy Quran too ( al hajj- verse no, 78) ( Muslimeen is plural form of Muslim), Why did u not follow this

verse of the Holy Quran? it shows u r the another sect, for this we must know that making sect is strictly prohibited according to the Holy Quran ( al imran, verse no- 103, 105 & 106, al inaam, verse no- 159) the thing which is strictly prohibited in the Holy Quran, u are acting upon.
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Old 28th July 2008, 13:46
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Assalam o alaikum,

As i have read the introduction of Salafi Dawah in which they have mentioned
to follow according to Quran and sunnah, this is one of the great reallity they have exposed, but my question is, why have u named

yourself "Salafi/Wahabi", where as Allah says: Allah has named u muslimeen before the revealition of the Holy Quran and in the Holy Quran too ( al hajj- verse no, 78) ( Muslimeen is plural form of Muslim), Why did u not follow this

verse of the Holy Quran? it shows u r the another sect, for this we must know that making sect is strictly prohibited according to the Holy Quran ( al imran, verse no- 103, 105 & 106, al inaam, verse no- 159) the thing which is strictly prohibited in the Holy Quran, u are acting upon.

As i have read the introduction of Salafi Dawah in which they have mentioned
to follow according to Quran and sunnah, this is one of the great reallity they have exposed, but my question is, why have u named

yourself "Salafi/Wahabi", where as Allah says: Allah has named u muslimeen before the revealition of the Holy Quran and in the Holy Quran too ( al hajj- verse no, 78) ( Muslimeen is plural form of Muslim), Why did u not follow this

verse of the Holy Quran? it shows u r the another sect, for this we must know that making sect is strictly prohibited according to the Holy Quran ( al imran, verse no- 103, 105 & 106, al inaam, verse no- 159) the thing which is strictly prohibited in the Holy Quran, u are acting upon.
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No where in the Qur'aan do you find Allaah saying to call him "God" so why do people use it? God is only an english rendering of a word.

Let's look at this right...

Allaah tells us in the Qur'aan that we should follow the Millah of Ibraaheem right?

Allaah also says:

[قُلْ إِنَّنِى هَدَانِى رَبِّى إِلَى صِرَطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ دِينًا قِيَمًا مِّلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا]

(Say: "Truly, my Lord has guided me to a straight path, a right religion, the religion of Ibrahim, a Haneef)

So why don't you call yourself Haneefee as well?

Allaah ALSO calls us "Mu'min" in the Qur'aan, so why don't you call yourself Mu'min?

The word Muslim is what is known as "Ism Faa'il" It is the person performing the action of "Islaam" to put that in simple terms. Just as Mu'min is the action of a person believing. So the Ma'anaa is very simple. A person who says he's salafee does not say anything different except by which he differentiates himself from all the claimants of Islaam. We're ordered to Hold fast to the Rope of Allaah, and not disunite. BUT then groups of people broke away from this rope, this Jamaa'ah. Such as the Khawaarij and the Shee'ah and the Qadariyyah and the Jahmiyyah. So now all of these groups call themselves muslims. Everyone of them claim to follow Qur'aan and Sunnah. So who is upon haqq? Those who truly follow the Qur'aan and Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf of this Ummah.

And last but not least, NOBODY calls himself a Wahhabi. It is nothing but a label given by the West, the Shi'ites, the Sufis and the Zionists. Just like terrorists are synonymous to Muslims in many people's eyes. Shaykh Ibn 'Abdul Wahhab was a reformer who strived to eradicate shirk and bid'ah in the Arabian peninsula, and those who oppose him in his actions give such labels to the Muslims.

The 'aqaiid of the Salafees is that of the Salaf -- Muhammad bin 'Abdullah, peace be upon him. The manhaj of the Salafiyyoon is also that of the Salaf, our Prophet. And there is no leader or spiritual person that the Salafees call to, rather Prophet Muhammad peace be on him is the leader of the Salafees and they call people to only Quraan and Sunnah as understood by the Salaf us-Saalih.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 08:02
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I have read the comments of Mr. Ahmed Tabib in which he has mentioned the verse from Quran, I don’t know from where he has quoted, there is no reference, however, he pointed out the word Haneef that someone can take this name as “Hanafi” and can be called Hanafi, actually if we consider upon the meaning of “Haneef” it means, the person who is on the right path, the Ibrahim was the straight follower of Islam ( Al Munjid Dictionary), so taking the concept of the name Hanafi is childish thought from the verse, if u read the sorah Al- Imran, chapter no- 3, verse no- 67, in which this is clearly mentioned that Ibrahim was Haneef Muslim, the name muslimeen is named by Allah, this is our personal name but the names Momineen & Ibad Ullah are the attributive names, for example, some one name is Hamid but he is polite, sincere and punctual, can we change his real name Hamid to the attributes “Polite, sincere and punctual”? I am sure, we don’t change them to the real name, simple is that, Muslim is the specific name for those who subject their will to Almighty Allah, it means, they don’t make subterfuges from the verses of the Holy Quran and authentic Hadiths, if we say we follow Quran and Hadith, so we must not make any trick with Quran and Hadith to change it according to our own wishes and thoughts.

The meaning of “Salaf” is “Ancestors” (Al Munjid Arabic Dictionary), we call Salaf to Sahabas, Tabaee and Tabaa Tabaeen, they also followed Allah and his Rasool as Allah says: O people! Follow that whatever is revealed from your sustainer to you and do not follow saints. (Sorah Al Araf, chapter no-7, verse no- 3) and they did not name themselves except “Muslim” as this is mentioned is Sahih Al Bukhari, Book of Eids (kitabul eidain) narrated by umme Aatia that Rasool Allah has order to those women who were suffering from menstruation to go Eid Gah ( the ground for eid prayer) and said that the women who are in menses periods also remain present to Eid Gah ( the ground of eid prayer) with Jamaat ul muslimeen , join in their prayers but remain away from their place of salah (Namaz, pray). It is proved that sahaba’s name was muslimeen and their Jamaat name was Jamaat ul muslimeen, having name “Salafi” is not proved from Sahabas too, this is very important now that we must have one name that is “Muslim” which is proved from the Holy Quran and authentic hadith, now the people who have the name “Salafi” must avoid doing against of Allah and Rasool by naming themselve “Salafi”, who specially claim to follow Allah and Rasool.
Please you must give complete reference from the Holy Quran and Hadith when you pass your comments.
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