An Introduction to the Salafi Da'wah

[Avilos]

Originally posted by Nur
When you have a bad image, change the image and try to trick the people - this is what the wahabis are doing!

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Salam bro,

Oh i kinda get it... having been in the publishing/advertising industry for some while, I think the technical term is "rebranding".

You know I have seen footage that a long time ago on the tv in the uk, an advertisement used to come on, showing a man at a party, all alone. No one wanted to talk to him. He left the party and went outside where it was pouring down with rain. He leans against a lampost getting soaked and pulls out a packet of "strand" cigarettes, and lights one up and takes a big puff... then as he exhales, the caption and voice over came on saying "YOU ARE NEVER ALONE WITH A STRAND".


Sales of the cigarette plummetted. People stopped buying Strand, because they associated smoking strand with being a sad git, who nobody spoke to at parties, and ended up alone getting soaked in the rain.


Then a new commercial was made, showing a man in a party pulling out a packet of cigarettes, and all the girls flocked him thinking he was soo cool.

It was the same cigarette, same manufacturer, but now they relabled it "embassy filter", and presented with a new image.

sales went up again.

REBRANDING.

hmmm.. so is that what it is bro? Is salafi the new improved version, which 9 out of ten housewives prefer? or which scientists recommend? or rather saudi's prefer and their mullah's recommend?

[Nur]

Originally posted by Life
Salaam bro, jazak-allah for your reply. Well changing their name makes no difference to who they really are. No one will listen to them because what they preach to me does not sound like the Islam that I am learning about.

Assalamu alaikum,
Unfortunately they have money and the backing of America/Britain. This is why in the UK, for eg, the wahabis have no problems in establishing a school or a charity organisation.

The main islamic societies in the UK are run by the wahabis and the books that they stock are wahabi books. In the khutbas at they preach their wahabi ideas, inlcuding the disgusting and insulting belief that the pious parents of the Holy Prophet (saw) were not believers.

Anyway, when you repeat something enough times people start to believe in it even if it is false and many muslims now believe in what the wahabis preach. However, when they do a bit of investigation into the history and when they compare the writings of wahabi "scholars" with real sincere scholars of Islam, then they begin to realise just how bad the wahabis are.

You said that:

the issue is not that they are afraid of people associating others with Allah, rather, it is a political issue based on antagonizing and killing the Muslims in order to consolidate their power and authority over the Muslims.

If you talk to any bosnian refugee in this country they will tell you how much they hate the wahabis. During the early 1990s when the serbs were slaughtering the muslims and raping their womenfolk, Iran sent soldiers and military aid to help the bosnian muslims.

The wahabis were there too, but instead of helping the bosnian muslims they gave them wahabi books and tried to convert them into wahabis before they got killed by the serbs.

This illustrates that the main concern of the wahabis is with spreading and establishing their deviant beliefs.

How can they call themselves Muslims and do the things that they are doing? Surely instead of fighting with Muslims they should be uniting with them to fight the disbelievers.

Yes they should, but they have too much hatred inside them for muslims who disagree with them. The attitude of the good sunnis and shias is that they can dsicuss and debate with one another but they will be united as one against enemies of Islam.

But the attitude of the wahabis from the very start has been to declare other muslims who disagree with them as kaffirs and then kill them. But with the real enemies of Islam they are very friendly and act as their slaves.

[Edited by Nur on 22nd July 2001 at 17:51]

[FYI]

Originally posted by Avilos
REBRANDING.

hmmm.. so is that what it is bro? Is salafi the new improved version, which 9 out of ten housewives prefer? or which scientists recommend? or rather saudi's prefer and their mullah's recommend?

Correction.

You should say: ...or rather Talaban prefer and their mullah's recommend?

[KI]

Pure Islam that is what is needed not this going to saints and asking things from them to be granted.
Mohamed ben Abdelwahab (rahimah Allah) has brought back PURE ISLAM AS IT WAS PRACTICED AT THE TIME OF THE PROPHET (SAW). I challenge all of you shia: Did one shrine existed at the time of the prophet? If no, then why now?

I guess I am ignorant to understand that the Muslim khilafa was ended at the time of the unfamous Mustapha Ataturk (May Allah curse him in his grave) in 1921 conspiring with the world Jewery and zionist movement. What does wahhabism had to do with the downfall of Khalafa? Who is most hated in the world today: Shia and suffists who are loved by all the missionaries or Ahl Al sunnah wa al jama'a?
Do not try to deny or brand Mohamed ben abdel wahab as a secte, madhab..ect as you are trying to deny the existnece of Abdellah Ibn Saba'a ?(May Allah curse the jew monafik).
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Truth will always prevail over falsehood.

[FYI]

The issue is not if Shrines existed at the time of the Prophet (SAWW) or not, since a number of things like loudspeakers use in Masjids, Hajj flights, cars, trains, Islamic sites on the web etc also did not exist at that time.

The issue is if visiting graves is Shirk? As we all know it is not.

Followers of Abdul Wahab Najdi make a big deal about Kufr, Shirk, Biddah etc. to the extent that they are obscessed with it.

The Saudi family used his teachings to declare other Muslims Kafirs and killed thousands of Muslims for political reasons to take over Hijaz and establish a Kingdom that exists to this day. We all know how corrupt these Kings are and how they have allied with the Western powers.

[FYI]

During the reign of Sultan Salim III (1204-1222 AH) many tribulations took place. One was the tribulation of the Wahhabiyyah which started in the area of al-Hijaz where they captured al-Haramayn, and prevented Muslims coming from ash-Sham and Egypt from reaching their destination to perform Pilgrimage (Hajj).

Background On The Tribulations Of The Wahhabis


The fighting started between the Wahhabis and the Prince of Mecca, Mawlana Sharif Ghalib Ibn Bu Sa'id, who had been appointed by the Muslim Sultan as his ruling representative over the areas of al-Hijaz. This was in 1205 AH during the time of Sultan Salim III, the son of Sultan Mustafa III, the son of Ahmad. Previous to the outbreak of fighting, the Wahhabis began to build power and gain followers in their areas. As their territories expanded, their evil and harm increased They killed countless numbers of Muslims, legitimated confiscating their money and possessions, and captured their women. The founder of their wicked doctrine was Muhammad Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab, who originated from eastern Arabia, from the tribe of Banu Tamim. He lived a long life, about one-hundred years. He was born in 1111 AH and died in 1200 AH. His history was narrated as follows:

Muhammad Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab started as a student of knowledge in the city of the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam: Medina al-Munawwarah. Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab's father was a good, pious man among the people of knowledge as was his brother, Shaykh Sulayman. His father, his brother, and his shaykhs (teachers of religion) had the foresight Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab would innovate a great deal of deviation and misguidance, because of their observance of his sayings, actions, and inclinations concerning many issues. They used to reprimand him and warn people against him.



Some Of The Beliefs Of Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab


What Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab's father, brother, and shaykhs speculated about him came true--. Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab innovated deviant and misleading ways and beliefs and managed to allure some ignorant people to follow him. His deviant and misleading ways and beliefs disagreed with the sayings of the scholars of the Religion.

His deviant beliefs led him to label the believers as blasphemers! He falsely claimed visiting the grave of the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, and performing the tawassul by him as shirk. Additionally, he falsely claimed visiting the graves of other prophets and righteous Muslims (awliya') and performing tawassul by them was shirk as well. He added to this by saying, "To call upon the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, when performing tawassul by the Prophet is shirk." He passed the same judgment of shirk on the ones who call upon other prophets and righteous Muslims (awliya') in performing tawassul by them.

In an effort to give credibility to his innovations Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab embellished his sayings by quotations which he selected from Islamic sources, i.e., quotations which are used as proofs for many issues but not the issues which Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab was attempting to support. He brought false statements and tried to beautify them for the laymen until they followed him. He wrote treatises for them until they believed that most of the People of Tawhid were blasphemers.


Alliance With The Saudi Family


Moreover, Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab called upon the princes of eastern Arabia and the people of ad-Dar'iyyah to support him. They carried his doctrine and made this endeavor a means to strengthen and expand their kingdom. They worked together to suppress the Bedouins of the deserts until they overcame them and those Bedouins followed them and became foot-soldiers for them without pay. After that, these masses started to believe that whoever does not believe in what Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab said is a blasphemer, and it is Islamically lawful (halal) to shed his blood and plunder his money.

The matter of Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab started to evidence itself in 1143 A.H. and began spreading after 1150 A.H. Subsequently, the scholars--even his brother, Shaykh Sulayman and the rest of his shaykhs-- authored many treatises to refute him. But Muhammad Ibn Su'ud, the Prince of ad-Dar'iyyah in eastern Arabia, supported him and worked to spread his ideology. Ibn Sa'ud was from Banu Hanifah, the people of Musaylimah al-Kadhdhab. When Muhammad Ibn Sa'ud died, his son 'Abdul-'Aziz Ibn Muhammad Ibn Sa'ud took over the responsibility of fulfilling the vile task of spreading the Wahhabi beliefs.

Many of the shaykhs of Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab in Medina used to say, "He will be misguided, and he will misguide those for whom Allah willed the misguidance." Things took place as per the speculation of the scholars. Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab claimed his intention behind the madhhab he invented was "to purify the tawhid" and "repudiate the shirk." He also claimed people had been following the shirk for six-hundred years and he revived their Religion for them!!

[KI]

FYI,
1. Visiting a grave does not consist in itself shirk. There are "adab" rules of visiting a grave: 1. You say "Assalamu alaikuum, you were first to reach the grave and we will be next". 2. Make Du'a for the person in the grave. 3. Make du'a for all the muslims deceased. 4. Make du'a for oneself.
If you visit the grave to ask the person in the grave to interceed or for things to be granted to you then you are commiting SHIRK.

2. I have previously read the same post regarding Mohamed ben Abdel wahab (rahimahu Allah) and for sure it is from somebody who does not like the purity of Islam.
You must know that his father and brother faught against him in the beginning but were convinced of the need to go back to pure Islam as practiced by prophet Mohamed (saw).

3."The issue is not if Shrines existed at the time of the Prophet (SAWW) or not, since a number of things like loudspeakers use in Masjids, Hajj flights, cars, trains, Islamic sites on the web etc also did not exist at that time."

What are trying to compare? What are trying to say? My friend shrines were put up when the muslim Ummah lost the true Islamic religious path as brought to us by the prophet (saw) hence in his time NO SHRINES EXISTED. And as I have pointed it out: If we had to call for intermediaries to use to please Allah or have an impact with Allah (what shia do) the prophet would have done it TO SHOW US HOW TO DO IT. The prophet did not do it, the shia does it then the shia are doing something that the prophet (saw) did not do then they must be doing something of a BIDA'A period.
Shia creed has things in it that are contrary to Islamic logic the same as for the christians and jews.

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Truth will always prevail over falsehood.