An Introduction to the Salafi Da'wah

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Originally posted by Life
why bother with the change of name if Salafi is the same as Wahabbi (as bro Nur kindly told us).

Wahabi movement was started by Abdul Wahab Najdi, an extremely contravercial figure. His theories were based on another persons beliefs namely Ibn Tamayyah.

Followers of Abdul Wahab don’t want to give an impression that they have created a new Madhab (sect). If they use the name Wahabi no one will listen to them. So they prefer the name Salafi which means followers of the truly guided Salaf. Some Whabis even deny that they are Salafi. They like to be called just Muslims. The idea is to give an impression that we are just like any one else and we want to preach you the true Islam.

Bottom line: Its a cover up. Wahabi, Salafi, La Madhabi are all the same.

Also note that some other sects like Ahly Hadith and Dawbandis (Eg Talaban) also have similar beliefs. They compliment each other.

Wahabis used to get all their support from Saudi Arab. After the gulf war Saudi money has dried up. Now they are hopeful about Talaban regime of Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by Life
Also i read that Al Baqee was destroyed/demolished by the wahabbis. Why is it that Wahabbis belive that we are worshiping graves?

If touching the graves and calling the dead is with the understanding that they could cause harm or render a benefit, then that is polytheism, no doubt about it, the Muslims are monotheists and they know that Allah alone could cause harm or render a benefit, but calling the saints and Imams (AS) or the Prophet (SAWW) with the understanding that they could be an intermediary to Allah, that is not polytheism.

All Muslims, Sunnis and Shias, agreed on this point from the time of the Messenger up to the present day, except the Wahabiyyah, the Saudi Ulama who contradict all Muslims with their new creed. They caused considerable disturbances among the Muslims, they accused them of blasphemy, they spilt their blood and even beat old pilgrims on their way to the House of Allah in Mecca just because they say "O Messenger of Allah, may peace be upon you", and they will never let anybody touch his blessed grave.

They had so many debates with our learned people, but they persisted in their stubbornness and their arrogance.

Al-Sayyid Sharaf al-Din, a famous Shi'i learned man, went on pilgrimage to the House of Allah during the time of Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, and he was one of those Ulama who were invited to the King's palace to celebrate with the King 'Id al-Adhha, in accordance with the customs there.

When his turn came to shake the King'shand, Sayyid Sharaf al-Din presented him with a leather bound Qur'an. The King took the Qur'an and placed it on his forehead then kissed it.

Al Sayyid Sharaf al-Din said, "O King, why do you kiss and glorify the cover which is only made out of goat's skin?"

The King answered, "I meant to glorify the Holy Qur'an, not the goat's skin."

Al-Sayyid Sharaf al-Din then said, "Well said, O King. We do the same when we kiss the window or the door of the Prophet's (saw) chamber, we know it is made of iron and could not harm or render a benefit, but we mean what is behind the iron and wood, we mean to glorify the Messenger of Allah (saw) in the same way as you meant with the Qur'an when you kissed its goat's skin cover.

The audience was impressed by al-Sayyid and said, "You are right." The King was forced to allow the pilgrims to ask for blessings from the Prophet's relics, until the order was reversed by the successor of that king.

The issue is not that they are afraid of people associating others with Allah, rather, it is a political issue based on antagonizing and killing the Muslims in order to consolidate their power and authority over the Muslims, and history is the witness to what they have done with the Muslim nation.

[Life]

Salaam bro, jazak-allah for your reply. Well changing their name makes no difference to who they really are. No one will listen to them because what they preach to me does not sound like the Islam that I am learning about. You said that:

the issue is not that they are afraid of people associating others with Allah, rather, it is a political issue based on antagonizing and killing the Muslims in order to consolidate their power and authority over the Muslims.

How can they call themselves Muslims and do the things that they are doing? Surely instead of fighting with Muslims they should be uniting with them to fight the disbelievers.

[Nur]

Originally posted by Life
Salaam bro, jazak-allah for your reply. Well changing their name makes no difference to who they really are. No one will listen to them because what they preach to me does not sound like the Islam that I am learning about. You said that:

the issue is not that they are afraid of people associating others with Allah, rather, it is a political issue based on antagonizing and killing the Muslims in order to consolidate their power and authority over the Muslims.

How can they call themselves Muslims and do the things that they are doing? Surely instead of fighting with Muslims they should be uniting with them to fight the disbelievers.

Assaalamu alaikum,
I will respond a little later to all your points as I am a bit busy right now, but I would just like to just make another point here.

As brother KI confirmed the salaafi/wahabi school of thought was founded by Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab. So even though they like to pretend that they do not follow a particular madhab they do actually follow a particular madhab and it is one that is distinct from the sunni and shai madhabs.

The really mischievous thing about wahabis is the fact that they try to hide the fact that they follow distinct madhab. When you read a shia book, for eg, it is made clear that it is a shia book. Many of the shia books even give the sunni view as well as the shia view and in this way they do not deceive anybody.

So, for eg, if you read a book by Imam Khomeini or Murtaza Mutahhari or Tabatabai, etc we know that we are reading shia books and we know that some of their views are based on the shia madhab and are different from the sunni madhabs.

But when you read a book by Bilal Phillips, for eg, most people are not aware that he is a wahabi and that he is writing and preaching wahabi ideas. This is what I call mischief making!

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Originally posted by Life
Salaam , why bother with the change of name if Salafi is the same as Wahabbi (as bro Nur kindly told us). Also i read that Al Baqee was destroyed/demolished by the wahabbis. Why is it that Wahabbis belive that we are worshiping graves?

slm
i odnt understnd either of name! what does a name is so imporant!!!!

anwya i must tell u that never say this word when u r near some ppl speaking from experince! once i asked this women here that what is this all wahahbi stuff, she went so mad and violent nearly broke my arm and that was innocent question (:

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Originally posted by Nur


Assaalamu alaikum,
I will respond a little later to all your points as I am a bit busy right now, but I would just like to just make another point here.

why? what r u up to?

[Nur]

Originally posted by abc_xyz

slm
i odnt understnd either of name! what does a name is so imporant!!!!

anwya i must tell u that never say this word when u r near some ppl speaking from experince! once i asked this women here that what is this all wahahbi stuff, she went so mad and violent nearly broke my arm and that was innocent question (:

Assalamu alaikum,
Sister what you say is true. The word "wahabi" is associated with a regime which helped destroy the islamic empire and which massacred many muslims and destroyed many holy sites and which even attempted to destroy the shrine of the Holy Prophet (saw). Only as recent as 1987, the saudi regime machine gunned to death around 600 muslims, mainly shias from iran, for just demonstrating against America. During Hajj they say you are not allowed to kill even a fly, yet the saudis in order to please the Americans massacred around 600 people.

Is it any wonder that the wahabis/pro-wahabis try to hide the fact they are wahabis/pro-wahabi?

Would you want to be associated with people who committed such shameful crimes against Islam?

When you have a bad image, change the image and try to trick the people - this is what the wahabis are doing!


[Edited by Nur on 22nd July 2001 at 10:27]