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[Faisal_Aslam]

A.A

Yes I am not a scholar and have very limited knowledge but I want to learn Shia point of view so I want to ask....
Is it has any problem ?


I might not find time to read long answers (so please write to the point answers)... Please do not ask more questions form me "in this thread and only answer my questions and ask your questions next time..." (if possible ). I will accept Shahi Bukari ,Shahi Muslim and Quran references for sure so if possible try to give answer from them...

Answer in the order

1) Is there was some directions by Muhammad (PBUH) of Making Hazrat Ali as a first Khalifa..?
YES/No and with Yes/No tell me the Hadith and reference in short.

2) If NO is the answer of first question.
Then how first 3 Khalifa was wrong to do Khalafat? and why Shia abuse those great Shahaba?

3) If YES is the answer of first question.
Then why Hazrat Ali (who is one of the great Shahaba) had not take stand against first 3 Khalifa?
I consider Ali as one of the greatest Shahaba and I can not believe that he will not stop any thing against Muhammad (PBUH) Saying/order with his hands (with force). Do you think Hazrat Ali by not taking any stand against first 3 Khalifa commit a sin? (I do not think so). Or do you have any reference that tells that Ali had gone on war against them or so .. Why Ali had not implement Muhammad (PBUH) saying with force (that Ali must be first Khalifa)?

I want to ask few more question later in this thread after getting satisfying answer of above 3 . Please just consider me a person who want to learn . Okay?

Faisal Aslam

[keesooree]

Assalaamu'alikum bro Aslam,

errrrrrrm, if u check the previous threads, i know for sure u'll get ur answers. The bros have answered Qs like that several times before, when u have time plz check the old threads!

Can i ask u sumthin plz?

on the Day of Judgement, when Allah (SAW) askes u, what good deed did u do for Islam? What will u answer?

Will u be saying i was dissing my fellow Muslims instead of fighting the kuffars???????????????

may Allah Guide us all, Insha-Allah

wasalaam

[mhnew]

What's your point kessoree?

You are doing exactly the same thing as you are accusing Br. Faisal of doing.

And anyway, if the Shia here can subject Khilafa brothers to the same questions evertime they pop up, I guess others can also ask intro question to this Shias.

[muhammad]

Originally posted by mhnew
What's your point kessoree?

You are doing exactly the same thing as you are accusing Br. Faisal of doing.

What is she doing that br Faisal is doing?

And anyway, if the Shia here can subject Khilafa brothers to the same questions evertime they pop up, I guess others can also ask intro question to this Shias.

Please please please ask as many questions as you want to shias, sunnis and wahabis that is what this site is for - it's a discussion forum! We want to UNITE the Muslims on the rope of Allah (S.W.T.).

I wish some of the members would ask questions instead of just insulting or making false accusations!

[mhnew]

Sorry when I said question I meant false accusations and insults.

Go check your, Nurs and ARs posts regarding Khilafah brothers specially after you scare them away.
Now you talk of uniting....????

[mhnew]

Originally posted by keesooree
Assalaamu'alikum bro Aslam,
on the Day of Judgement, when Allah (SAW) askes u, what good deed did u do for Islam? What will u answer?

Will u be saying i was dissing my fellow Muslims instead of fighting the kuffars???????????????

wasalaam

Your comments directed at brother Faisal may seem very ditching and insulting to the average eye.

Sorry but we are mere mortals.

[Avilos]

Originally posted by Faisal_Aslam
A.A

Yes I am not a scholar and have very limited knowledge but I want to learn Shia point of view so I want to ask....
Is it has any problem ?


I might not find time to read long answers (so please write to the point answers)... Please do not ask more questions form me "in this thread and only answer my questions and ask your questions next time..." (if possible ). I will accept Shahi Bukari ,Shahi Muslim and Quran references for sure so if possible try to give answer from them...

Answer in the order

Brother Faisal,

Assalamo Alaikum.

You have asked good questions as a serious questioner and they are worthy of a response.

As keesooree has mentioned, these questions have probably been answered already in various forms in many prior posts, but inshallah I will take the time to answer you again.

To limit the answers from just Bukhari and Muslim and none of the other sahih's is unfair, as Bukhari and Muslim purposely avoided hadith enumerating the merits of the ahlul bait at any cost.

I have already in a previous post highlighted the fact that Imam Bukhari went to great lengths to keep hadith from the ahlulbait and about them out of his sahih.

He had no shame in narrating OVER 1100 hadith from Abu Huraira, who by his own admission used to make hadith up himself, yet:

From imam Ali (AS), about whom the prophet had said that his position is to him as was Arron's to Moses, and whom he called his brother in this world and the next; he ONLY narrated 79 hadith out of the whole 7068!

From the two "chiefs of the youths of paradise", Imams Hassan and Hussain, ONLY narrated 10 in total; 8 from imam hassan, ONLY 2 from imam hussain!

From imam zainal abideen (AS)in only 6!

Furthemore, although he was alive both in the time of Imam Muhammed Al Baqir, and Imam Jaffar al Sadiq (AS) did not relate ONE single tradition from them.

So where possible I will quote from them, but dont forget the other 4 books of the 6 Sihah Sittah, as well as all the books of the earlier historians like Tabari etc.

I hope you can see why it is objective to do so. However I will restrict myself to quoting hadith from ONLY Sunni books and hadith that have been narrated from more than one source or authority. Inshallah, I think no fair mind would reject them.

Also I will give self explanatory evidences, in brief, as opposed to commenting on them too much, as you have requested.

Additionally I will tackle each question in a seperate post.
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Originally posted by Faisal_Aslam

1) Is there was some directions by Muhammad (PBUH) of Making Hazrat Ali as a first Khalifa..?
YES/No and with Yes/No tell me the Hadith and reference in short.
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Below I will provide just 5 Proofs of appointment of Hazrat Ali as Khalifa as requested brother:

They are clear enough for those who choose to reflect:

FIRST PROOF

Prophet Moses, when he wanted to go to Miqaat, he did not ask people to form a Shura to assign a Caliph for him.

Quran tells us that:

(Moses said: "O' Allah) assign me a vizier from my family, (that is) my brother Aaron (Haroon) ...," (Allah) said: "We granted your requests, O' Moses." (Quran 20:29-36).

Allah, Exalted, also said:

"Surely We gave the book to Moses and assigned his brother Aaron as his vizier." (Quran 25:35).

Allah also said:

"... And Moses said unto his brother Aaron: Take my place among the people." (Quran 7:142).

Notice that "Ukhlufni" (take my place) and "Khalifa" (Caliph) are exactly from the same root.

let us take a look at the following interesting tradition in Sahih al-Bukhari:

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Your position to me is like the position of Aaron (Haroon) to Moses, except that there shall be no Prophet after me"

(1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56, 5.700 (2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, v4, pp 1870-71 (3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12 (4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174 (5) al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16 (6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) thereby meant that as Moses had left behind Aaron to look after his people when he went to Miqaat (meeting Allah), in the same way he was leaving Ali behind to look after the affairs of Islam after he met Allah (i.e., his death). Let this reminder be food of thought for the possessors of pure heart and open mind.

SECOND PROOF
The following tradition is written in the History of al-Tabari which is one of the important history book for the
Sunnis. Besides al-Tabari, many other historians and traditionists and commentators of Quran from among Sunnis have recorded this tradition in their books.

The tradition explicitly indicates that the Holy Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him and his family), with the order of Allah, has introduced Ali Ibn Abi Talib as his successor even in his first open preach to the people:

Narrated Ibn Humayed, from Salamah, from Muhammad Ibn Is'haq, from Abd al-Ghaffar Ibn al-Qasim, from al-Minhal Ibn Amr, from abdallah Ibn al-Harith Ibn Nawfal Ibn al Harith Ibn Abd al-Muttalib, from Abdallah Ibn Abbas, from
Ali Ibn Abi Talib:

When the verse "And warn your close tribe (Quran 26:214)" was revealed to the prophet, he called me and said to me, "Ali, God has commanded me to warn my tribe of near kindred. I was troubled by this, since I knew that when I discuss the matter to them they would respond in a way which I would not like. I kept silent until Gabriel came to me and said "If you do not do what you are commanded, your Lord will punish you." So prepare a measure of wheat for us, add a leg of lamb to it, fill a large bowl of milk for us, and then invite sons of Abd al-Muttalib for me so that I may speak to them what I have been commandedto tell them."

I did what he had told me to do. At that time they numbered forty men more or less, including his uncles Abu Talib, Hamzah, al-Abbas, and Abu Lahab. When they had gathered together, he called me to bring the food which I had prepared. I brought it, and when I put it down, prophet took a piece of meat, broke it with his teeth, put it in the dish. Then he said, "Take in the name of God." They ate until they could eat no more, and yet the food was as it had been. I swear by God, in whose hand Ali's soul rests, that a single man could have eaten the amount of food which I prepared for them. Then he said "Give them something to drink." So I brought them the bowl and they drank from it until they became full, and I swear by God that one man could have drunk that amount. When prophet wanted to speak to them, Abu Lahab interrupted him and said "Your host has long since bewitched you." Then they dispersed without the prophet speaking to them.

On the following day he said to me "Ali, this man interrupted what I wanted to say so that people dispersed before I could speak to them. Prepare the same food for us as you did yesterday, and invite them here."

I did this, and brought them food when he called me. He did as he had done the other day, and they ate until they could eat no more.Then he said, "Bring the bowl," and they drank until they could drink no more.

"Banu Abd al-Muttalib, I don't know of any young man among Arabs who has brought for his people something better than what I have brought to you. I bring the best of this world and the world after, since God has commanded me to summon you to him. Which of you will aid me in this matter, so that he will be my brother, my executor (Wasi), my successor (Caliph) among you?" They all held back, and even though I was the youngest, I said "I will be your helper, O' prophet of God." He put his hand on the back of my neck and said "This is my brother, my executor (Wasi), my successor (Caliph) among you, so listen to him and obey him." They rose up laughing and saying to Abu Talib, "He has commanded you to obey your son and to obey him!"

(1) History of al-Tabari, English version, v6, pp 88-91 (2) History of Ibn Athir, v2, p62 (3) History of Ibn Asakir, v1, p85 (4) Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v5, p97 (5) Tafsir al-Khazin, by Ala'uddin al-Shafi'i, v3, p371 (6) Shawahid al-Tanzil, by al-Hasakani, v1, p371 (7) Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v15, p15, pp 100-117 (8) al-Sirah al-Halabiyah, v1, p311 (9) Dala'il al-Nabawiyyah, by al-Baihaqi, v1, pp 428-430 (10) al-Mukhtasar, by Abul Fida, v1, pp 116-117 (11) Life of Muhammad, by Hasan Haykal, p104 (First Arabic Edition only. In the second edition the last sentence of Prophet is deleted.) (12) Tahdhib al-Athar, v4, pp 62-63.

The above tradition was also narrated by important Sunni figures such as Muhammad Ibn Is'haq, Ibn Abu Hatem, and Ibn Mardawayh. It is also recorded by many orientalists including T. Carlyle, E. Gibbon, J. Davenport, and W.
Irving.

THIRD PROOF

Also in the final sermon of the prophet(SAW) the prophet (SAW) announced:

"Do I not have more right over the believers than what they have over themselves?" People cried and answered: "Yes, O' Messenger of God."

Then Prophet (SAW) held up the hand of Ali and said:

"Whoever I am his leader (Mawla), Ali is his leader (Mawla). O' God, love those who love him, and be hostile to those who are hostile to him."

Some of the Sunni references:
(1) Sahih Tirmidhi, v2, p298, v5, p63
(2) Sunan Ibn Maja, v1, pp 12,43
(3) Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 4,21
(4) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p129, v3, pp 109-110,116,371
(5) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 84,118,119,152,330, v4, pp 281,368,370,
372,378, v5, pp 35,347,358,361,366,419 (from 40 chains of narrators)
(6) Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Hanbal, v2, pp 563,572
(7) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, p103 (from several transmitters)
(8) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v12, pp 49-50
(9) Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Hafiz Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v3, p19
(10) Tarikh al-Khulafa, by al-Suyuti, pp 169,173
(11) al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v3, p213, v5, p208
(12) Usdul Ghabah, by Ibn Athir, v4, p114
(13) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, pp 307-308
(14) Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, v1, part 3, p144
(15) Sawaiq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, p26
(16) al-Isabah, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, v2, p509; v1, part1, p319, v2, part1, p57, v3, part1, p29, v4, part 1, pp 14,16,143
(17) Tabarani, who narrated from companions such as Ibn Umar, Malik Ibn al-Hawirath, Habashi Ibn Junadah, Jari, Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas, Anas Ibn Malik, Ibn Abbas, Amarah,Buraydah,...
(18) Tarikh, by al-Khatib Baghdadi, v8, p290
(19) Hilyatul Awliya', by al-Hafiz Abu Nu'aym, v4, p23, v5, pp26-27
(20) al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, Chapter of word "ayn" (Ali), v2, p462
(21) Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, pp 154,397
(22) al-Mirqat, v5, p568
(23) al-Riyad al-Nadirah, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, v2, p172
(24) Dhaka'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, p68
(25) Faydh al-Qadir, by al-Manawi, v6, p217
(26) Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qudoozi al-Hanafi, p297
... And HUNDREDS more.

Immediately after the Prophet (PBUH&HF) finished his speech, the following verse of Holy Quran was revealed:

"Today I have perfected your religion and completed my bounty upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Quran 5:3)

Some of Sunni references which mentioned the revelation of the above verse of Quran in Ghadir Khum after the speech of the Prophet:

(1) al-Durr al-Manthur, by al-Hafiz Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v3, p19 (2) Tarikh, by Khatib al-Baghdadi, v8, pp 290,596 from Abu Hurayra (3) Manaqaib, by Ibn Maghazali, p19 (4) History of Damascus, Ibn Asakir, v2, p75 (5) al-Itqan, by al-Suyuti, v1, p13 (6) Manaqib, by Khawarazmi al-Hanfi, p80 (7) al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah, by Ibn Kathir, v3, p213 (8) Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qudoozi al-Hanafi, p115 (9) Nuzul al-Quran, by al-Hafiz Abu Nu'aym narrated on the authority Abu Sa'id Khudri.... and more.

FOURTH PROOF

After his speech, the Messenger of Allah asked everybody to give the oath of allegiance to Ali (AS) and congratulate him. Among those who gave him the oath were Umar, Abu Bakr, and Uthman. It is narrated that Umar and Abu Bakr said:

"Well done Ibn Abi Talib! Today you became the leader (Mawla) of all believing men and women."

Sunni references:
(1) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p281 (2) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v12, pp 49-50 (3) Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Khatib al-Tabrizi, p557 (4) Habib al-Siyar, by Mir Khand, v1, part3, p144 (5) Kitabul Wilayah, by Ibn Jarir al Tabari (6) al-Musannaf, by Ibn Abi Shaybah (7) al-Musnad, by Abu Ya'ala (8) Hadith al-Wilayah, by Ahmad Ibn `Uqdah (9) Tarikh, by Khatib al-Baghdadi, v8, pp 290,596 from Abu Hurayra... and more.

FIFTH PROOF

Imam Ali (AS), in person, reminded others who witnessed the event of Ghadir and the tradition of the Messenger of Allah; these are some of the events:

- On the day of Shura (Election Day for Uthman)
- During the days of Uthman's rule
- The Day of Rahbah (year 35) where 24 companions stood up and swore that they attended and heard the tradition of the Prophet (PBUH) first hand, twelve of whom were the warriors of Badr.
- The Day of Jamal (the War of Camel, year 36) where he reminded Talha.
- The Day of the Riders where 9 witnesses testified.


I can narrate many traditions to this effect, but I will stick to a couple for brevity, that are also recorded by people like Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad.

About the Battle of Camel, al-Hakim and Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and others recorded that:

We were in the camp of Ali on the day of Battle of Camel, where Ali sent for Talha to talk to him (before the beginning of war). Talha came forward, and Ali told him: I adjure you by Allah! Didn't you hear the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) when he said: `Whoever I am his MAWLA, this Ali is his MAWLA. O God, love whoever loves him, and be hostile to whoever is hostile to him'?" Talha replied: "Yes." Ali said: "Then why do you want to fight me?"

Sunni reference:
- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, pp 169,371
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, on the authority of Ilyas al-Dhabbi
- Muruj al-Dhahab, by al-Mas'udi, v4, p321
- Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, p107

Also:

Abd al-Rahman Ibn Abu Laylah said: I witnessed Ali administering an oath to the people in the plain of Rahbah. Ali said: "I adjure those of you in the name of Allah who heard the Messenger of Allah on the day of Ghadir saying `Ali is the Mawla of whom I am Mawla' to stand up and to testify. He who was not an eyewitness doesn't need to stand up." Thereupon twelve (12) such companions who had participated in the Battle of Badr stood up. The occasion is still fresh in my memory.

Sunni references:
- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p119, see also v5, p366
- Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 21,103, narrated similar to above on the authority of three others: Umayah Ibn Sa'd, Zaid Ibn yathigh, and Sa'id Ibn Wahab.

And finally as this post is becoming far longer than I anticipated let me conclude with:

When Ali said to Anas: "Why don't you stand up and testify what you heard from the Messenger of Allah on the day of Ghadir?" He answered, "O Amir al-Mumineen! I have grown old and do not remember." Thereupon Ali said: "May Allah mark you with a white spot (of leprosy; Alphosis) unconcealable with your turban, if you are intentionally withholding the truth." And before Anas got up from his place he bore a large white spot on his face, Thereafter Anas used to say, "I am under the curse of the righteous servant of Allah."

Sunni references:

(1) al-Ma'arif, by Ibn Qutaybah, p14, in the account of Anas among disabled persons.
(2) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p199, where he testifies to the above anecdote, as he says : "All stood up except three persons who came under the curse of Ali."
(3) Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v5, p27

I hope this much is sufficient for now on this question, and I only stop for fear of this post becoming too long on just the answer to this question.

Wassalam