do promoters of khilafa know what they want?

[mahdi]

bismil rabil noor,
asslamu alaikum,
i have ask some questions from br islamic boy on several questions and instead of answering the question he does a cut and paste from the khilafa site and gives irrelevant information.
br islamicboy, your analysis of the constitution of iran was totally wrong and you used words such as, the official language of the state should be arabic etc. these are not correct. you have not provided a single valid evidence to say that we should have an islamic state let alone the language.
there is no evidence from qur'an or hadith that peoples lanuage has to change to arabic,although one must know arabic in order to understand islam directly but for those who are not intending to become mujtahids the necessity is limited to the correct performance of rituals.
from your comment on the constitution it is clear that you have no idea what an islamic state is, what a khalif should do, who should be a khalif , how khilafa is monitored etc.
time permitting i will address that too.
just alast point, did you know that the repor you posted was from eight years ago or did you not read it and just cut and paste it.
in haste to escape fromthe embarassing questions you keep posting news topics but be sure as we are rigth and you are following wrong whatever you do we will have answers and again you will be stuck and have to escape again and start new topics.
if you recall, this was what indian was ding and at that time you cuold very well answer him and he was the one aviofding questions. becase you were right and he was wrong. now you have taken his place!
we are all brothers so why not address the questions we asked?andthen if you have questions ask and we will try and answer.
i have many things to say about hizbur tahrir and how they function or how they are funded and protected by the western intelligence and kuffar and their rel agenmda which is not to establish khilafa but to lead muslim youth astray by getting them on the khilafa bus and landing them in the middle of nowhere. that is why i ask these questions on methods to establish khilafa to show to everyone that these are all slogans to fool muslims and that there is no real content.the fact that you cannot answer these questinos, and i do not blame you because it is clear that you are only going to khilafa site and if you find something you posted here and if not you cannot say much, but the fact that they cannot tell you anything relevant to say shows that they have no answers and it is all hot air.
wasalam,
mahdi

[Abdur_Rahman]

Brother I have not reda you mail yet but this is what I have to say

These peopel you are talking about are living in a cokoo land, they are full of fantasys, have no realistic understanding of the world in which they live.
Their life style and what they say and do is full of hypocrasy, they say Kuffar this Kuffar that, yet these HYpocrites are happy to live in these Kufafr country enjoying all the material benefits such as Unemployment, Housing benefits, to go to Kufafr schools, universities, use kufafr Banks, and get loans so and so forth.
For so long many peopel have asked them many questions but they keep avoiding them (Deliberately) instead they talk about other things.
I pity them because I am sure these peopel are sincere but what they do not know is that some 'Super Muftis' have brainwashed them right, left and centre as a result they have become the most inactive just like the Tabligis the only difference being they talk about Islamic state.
'Arrogance is the destroyer of the Soul'

[islamicboy]

salaam brothers


so if the constitution of iran i have produced is incorrect, then please let us see the correct constituion of the islamic state. Don't just it is based on quran and sunnah.

The sincere muslims would like to actually see each part of the constition, how it deals with social system, the education, system, the judial system, the punishment system, the foreign affairs.

If what i have shown is incorrect then please brothers show us the constituion and if it is based on islam, then insha allah i will be the first one to migrate there.

[Abdur_Rahman]

Walikum assalam
before you migrate to anywhere, try to concerntrate on what I have to say
CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTIONS PUT TO YOU dozens of timeby Mahdi, Nur, Muhammad and myself??????????
brother its a simple thing either you can answer them, in which case answer them, or just say you can not, no one is going to come and hunt you down for that!

[muhammad]

Salaam to all,

To IB:
Why do you keep bringing Iran into this?

It is you who are insisting that we need an Islamic state!

It isn't relevant to talk about any state be it Iran, Saudi Arabia etc in this context. If you don't like these states then propose a better solution, otherwise accept them and keep quiet.

You can critise other people and states forever but it won't get us anywhere. Did the prophet (PBUH) spend all his time critising other societies or did he get on with his task of leading the believers?

I may not be very knowledgable about the constitution of Iran but I do agree with Mahdi that your analysis of it was totally wrong away.

We all agree that Muslims need someone suitable to lead them. Why don't you discuss how we should go about finding such a person? - At least that would be interesting.

[This message has been edited by muhammad (edited 19 October 2000).]

[mahdi]

bismil rabil noor,
asslamu alaikum,
br islamicboy,

""so if the constitution of iran i have produced is incorrect, then please let us see the correct constituion of the islamic state. Don't just it is based on quran and sunnah. ""
your analysis was wrong. you had not given a single dalil for what you have declared to be wrong.

""The sincere muslims would like to actually see each part of the constition, how it deals with social system, the education, system, the judial system, the punishment system, the foreign affairs. ""
yes, that is why the constitution is there to be analysed, by ulama and not non scholars.
also, why since you believe that these have to be analysed not asked the HT for what they propose as the constitution and what is their educational, scial etc etc structure that they propose?we have asked from day one how are yo uproposingto build the islamic state.
as borother muhammad right said, we have not built a site called khilafa.com you guys are promoting the idea of khilafa and not us. therefore, why not tell us what shape this khilafa will have?

""If what i have shown is incorrect then please brothers show us the constituion and if it is based on islam, then insha allah i will be the first one to migrate there.""
first, you cannot be a judge of if it is islamic or not, you require the valued guidance of a pios, mujtahid.
second, why migrate. islam has not ordered us to migrate to the state. as i said before, abu dhar was a sahabi and when he became a muslim he lived in his own tribe and not in the state. if we are ordered by the leader to live inthe state for whtever reason then we must do so.
with all repsect, you have been exposed to too much hizbir tahrir seem to take their words as words of allah s.w.t
they have made many false judgement before as i mentioned in the other thread.
wasalam,
mahdi

[Abdur_Rahman]

Promoters of Khilafa
I think we are into the second month since the start of these discussions and we are still waiting for your knowledgeble answers!!
How long will you keep us wating?????