Islam in the Millenium: Women in Islam in the West

[BOY_4ROM_BENGAL]

Salaam.

The Western Governments have extended the rights and freedom of Women in the last decade.For example, maternity leave, pension age, divorce, equal opportunities in the legislature (representation)and many more.

One of the main arguments the non-muslims use against Islam, is the role of Women.

I experienced this not long so ago. I was having a discussion in my Seminar about the different economic systems in the world etc. The discussion faded on that topic and directed towards how Islam treats Women.

The non-muslims said to me. That, you keep your women locked in the house.She is either cooking or cleaning. Then you have six or eight children.

In the first place she does not know who she is marrying.Then they said are they right or not?

I said. First of all I said our women are never up for sale.You sell your women naked for 20p (The Sun).In your marriages you have no stability, no wonder you introduced legislation for quick divorce settlements.

Your courts does not even deal with rape.You get five years if you are found guilty of rape, that is your pride you place on women.

You are now so confused on what is and isnt date rape.Our women are covered yours are not,that is the reason for stalking (and rape).

I went on. The women you are marrying, how many times has she slept with another bloke or women in some cases.

Your friend/brother/father kisses your wife in front of you, of course there will be affairs.Which will lead to family breakdown.

I stopped my arguments, bcos it was having a deep impact. I said in my religion women are allowed to work and enjoy. But, there is not a true Islamic system anywhere in the world to show you this.

I then defined the roles of the husband and wife in the family.In Islam, the man is the head and the women is the heart of the family.I told them to compare what I have said with the current state of women in the west.

The issue I am trying to raise is that these Kuffars are trying to change our sisters.Does anyone agree/disagree with me or share similar experiences, or what we can do to tackle this?

Salaam.....

[The_Oshik-kitoe]

Salaam to all

That is very true brother Bengal these Kuffars are trying to change the thinking of our sisters.

You are absolutely correct.. And it is only because we as Muslims are not aware of the difference in culture and religion. Bcos we are following culture more then our Deen they find it easy to comment to comment on our religion
Most of these people deeply resent the spread of Islam. But their allegations are clear to all of us
Muslims

What we can do to tackle this problem is to learn more of our religion and what it actually says.
It is a shame to some of our Muslim people whom are not well equipped with the right knowledge of Islam when it comes to explaining to the Kuffars.

There Kuffars who question about women in Islam should be told the facts about what our religion & what it ACTUALLY says,

In order to tackle this problem I have put a few related words about what Islam says regarding women. I hope it will be useful to you and those who read your topic. ….Inshah Allah

In Islam there are absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Qur'an says:

And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)
good. (4:19)


How can they say that women are mistreated in Islam. Before the arrival of Islam women were often treated worse than animals.
Our Prophet put a stop to all the cruelties to women. He preached kindness towards them. He told the Muslims: "Fear God in respect of women." And: "The best of you are they who behave best to their wives."

In Islam a woman is a completely independent personality. She can make any contract or bequest in her own name. She is entitled to inherit in her position as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has perfect liberty to choose her husband.

The pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia they used to hate their female children whom they used to ‘bury alive.’
Our prophet, peace be upon him, put a stop to this.

Woman as mother commands great respect in Islam. The Noble Qur'an speaks of the rights of the mother in a number of verses. It enjoins Muslims to show respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they are still unbelievers. The Prophet, peace be upon him, states emphatically that the rights of the mother are paramount. Abu Hurairah reported that a man came to the Messenger of God, peace be upon him, and asked:

"O Messenger of God, who is the person who has the greatest right on me with regards to kindness and attention?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your father."


The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women.
They no longer considered women as a mere property, but as a complete part of society.

For the first time women given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service

It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.

The Islamic Law regards women as the spiritual and intellectual equals of men.

The main distinction it makes between them is in the physical realm based on the equitable principle of fair division of labor. It allots the more strenuous work to the man and makes him responsible for the maintenance of the family. It allots the work of managing the home and the upbringing and training of children to the woman, work which has the greatest importance in the task of building a healthy and prosperous society.

It is a fact, however, that reliable management within the domestic field is impossible without a unified policy. For this reason the Shari'ah requires a man, as head of the family, to consult with his family and then to have the final say in decisions concerning it.

In doing so he must not abuse his right to cause any mischief to his wife.

Western talk of women's liberation or freedom is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honour, and degradation of her soul!

The Oshik-kitoe


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[This message has been edited by The Oshik-kitoe (edited 26 August 2000).]

[The_Oshik-kitoe]

Salaam to all

Sorry my reply had to be so long but please read it.

Jazak Allah

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[BOY_4ROM_BENGAL]

Originally posted by The Oshik-kitoe:
Salaam to all

Sorry my reply had to be so long but please read it.

Jazak Allah

Salaam. Brother Oshik-kitoe, you are spot on. I would like to raise two issues after reading your reply.

Firstly, I think one of the perspective that non-muslims adopt of our religion is our cultural values(as you have raised this issue in your posting culture and religion), which has its roots fron the Hindu religion.

The Hindu religion is based on the caste system which has literally collapsed in the elite class. It restricts women role, it divides class, regions etc.

The non-muslims consider that those cultural values are fundamental to our religion, they are wrong.

I think culture is important as it shows your identity.That is to say your birthplace, your parents birthplace, your language etc.

But cultural values should never question or overtake religious beliefs.Religion always comes first.

The second issue focuses on our sisters.I think in the western world the influence on them is unbelievable.

The non-muslims have used our cultural values in saying that this is how Islam treats women.

Your right in saying that we should educate sisters about Islam.In addition, at a latter stage we should educate them about the kuffars treatment of women.

I expect you to know this, that choosing your childs sex and cloning are new issues that will lead to further exploitation of women in the west.

Salaam.

[Abdur_Rahman]

salam brothers and sisters
Yes it is true that the 'kuffars' are trying to this and that and we know what their intention is, but what about our own people, those so called community leaders who run places like our community centres, have you have you seen what some of the things they do, its completely unislamic, they have no religious values.
Have you seen what we do? In almost every muslim house you will most like see that they all watch Hindu Movies. When the time for namaz come they either carry on watching or stop it for a few minutes and then start palying the Idol worshippers again, this happens even while the elders are at home, even they watch it, to be honest perhaps it is they who introduced these Idols in thier homes, kidds have grown up with these Mushrik Lovers and the culture they portray have been embedded into their bloodstream.
Hav eyou seen what our own governments are trying to do? they are trying to do everything unislamic including legalisation of prostitution.
I have to agree that women are often oppressed, forcefully marride, beaten etc this is a common place in the indian subcontinent. I knw this case wherea bengali boy married a pakistani girl they lived for about 2 years running away from her family, eventually they the girls family tricked her and took her to Pakistan for a 'holiday to see the dieing granmother', there she was beaten and eventually thye married her to another man with whom she has a child!
these things are happening.
Mre and more girls and boys too are ofetn taken to Bangladesh and married to someone there with out their consent and the result is that with in the first 2 years of this so called marrige falls apart and a divorce takes place!!
These are issues thats needs tackling and I take to pride in it as it has nothing to do with Islam as you have already pointed out, but they will continue to happen so long as we remain selfish.
Most Bangladeshi own or work in restaurant where alcohol is sold, i need not say much on this, it is clearly haram but what do you expect to get from this haram.
Haram only breeds other harams, when these peopel bring in money form haram sources and feed their children, then their blood gets infected with this spiritual dieseas and the result is quite often seen in the form of, boy/girl running away, addicted to drugs and alcohol, crime etc.
Saying all this these non muslims who have no moral values can nopt stand to argue with the muslims.
Brother you said there is no islamic country in the world with which you can back your claim of ttrue islam, well I disagree with you. Islamic Iran is a islamic country and there you can show most of the things that you wanted to show those non-muslims, OK shia sunni is another matter but from what I have seen, read and heard Iran today represents Islam to the best of its ability.
In Iran you will find women in very very high places of society, they are mothers, careers, they work at home, in the kitchien, at the bank not just as clerks but as managers, they are scientist of high calibre, they represent women at international levels, they are in the armed forces, MPs, civil servants...etc all with in the Hijab or Burkah as we called it!

[Pacific]

Salaam brother and sisters,
All these great replies and only a few actually read them…. It’s sad. We, as human beings can make choices and a wise one must think about the situation before the wise one makes his/her choice. Yes, the westerners are generalizing all Muslims because of what they see on the news or what they might hear from a friend about Islam. Most of the higher (if not all) class of the west the hate Islam and the Higher class control what you watch. T.V is the number one way to get to as many minds as they can. How many times have you brothers and sisters seen them link all terrorist with Islam? In the U.S, the Oklahoma Bombing, the first thing I heard was some Muslims did it. This is what they think of us. So, somebody in the top of the media just doesn’t like us. And this is why I believe that westerners hate us. They fear what the do not understand.
Yes, It’s sad that our sisters are being influenced by these pigs. But, our sisters have their own choice to make on how they want to live their life. At the end, you all know only Allah will judge us. I hope that not all our sisters will fall to the pig’s ways.

Ok, lets go to Christianity. They think their religion is so good.
1. Christianity does not allow a married couple to get a divorce. Why are their families always, I mean always end this way? When I meet a new friend, and he invites me to his home, I ask him “You live wit your mom of dad?” It is extremely rare to find a Christian child with both parents living together.
2. They believe Jesus (PBUH) is their God. He is the son of God. Ok, then who is the father of God? They say God is getting old, so Jesus(PBUH) is taking over. Ok, when does God die? Who was Gods father? How long will Jesus(PBUH) rule the “Throne?”
3. The pictures they have made of Jesus(PBUH). He is a blond haired, blue eyed white guy. How can that possibly be? He was born in the middle east! I remember in a classroom in high school where a white child and a Mexican child was having an argument on what Jesus (PBUH) was. The Mexican guy actually said the Jesus(PBUH) was MEXICAN!!!!! Can you believe that? In Christianity, they believe in a whit God, How can any non-white person practice this religion?

See my brothers and sisters, I can go on and on about this so corrupt religion that most of you would fall asleep from reading. There are too many mistranslation in the so many different versions of the bible they have. They are lost!!! So when they claim that their religion is so kind and fair to women, we need to defend ourselves and return that same accusation toward their religion.

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[BOY_4ROM_BENGAL]

Salaam.

Brother AR, you are absolutely right.One of the concerns you raised is that of leadership.

The Muslims need a leader.There is no one to lead the Ummah at this time.

For example, who calls Jihad at this time?

1)Saddam Hussein called for Jihad in the Gulf War. We all know what happened there.

2)The Chechens have called Jihad, but is anyone helping them.

3)When the Mujahadeen called Jihad against Russians who answered the call the US + UK.

These points above illustrate the weakness and confusion among the Ummah.Of course this has been created by the Kuffar.

This is the reason why I support Muslim organisations especially those are striving for an Islamic State.

But at this present state, we need an Islamic state urgently.

This Islamic state would provide us with leadership.

Show how Islamic social, economic and political systems operate to both Muslims and non-muslims.

I pray to Allah (SWT)to give us this Islamic State.Ameen.

Salaam.