palestine or israel

[mahdi]

bismil khaleqil noor,
assalamo alaikom,
ever since the second world war palestine has been under the israeli rule. each attempt at freeing this sacred land resulted in more territory being lost.
1-what is the significance of palestine an is it an arab or muslim issue?
2-why did successive arab governmets failed to free this holy land?
3-what was the sybmbol of lebaneese resistance that drove israel out by force, for the first time in israeli history?
wasalam
mahdi

[Nur]

Originally posted by mahdi:
bismil khaleqil noor,
assalamo alaikom,
ever since the second world war palestine has been under the israeli rule. each attempt at freeing this sacred land resulted in more territory being lost.
1-what is the significance of palestine an is it an arab or muslim issue?
2-why did successive arab governmets failed to free this holy land?
3-what was the sybmbol of lebaneese resistance that drove israel out by force, for the first time in israeli history?
wasalam
mahdi

Salaam,
Brother these are very important questions and one will find that in looking into these issues they will learn many things.

OK, this is what I understand. Firstly, it is certainly a muslim issue, although some people try to take Islam out of the equation. Israel is there to destray Islam and that is why the non-muslim governments are so keen to help Israel and are prepared to overlook the atrocities they continually commit.

Secondly, the arab governments failed to free this holy land because these governments themselves are against Islam and are really allies of Israel and tha anti-Islam people. This is why even when they got together and fought a war against Israel tehy failed to win - they had no real will to free this holy land. The fact that the arab countries that took part in the so called war against Israel, have israeli embassies soon after the war should tell us about their real intentions.

Thirdly, the lesson from History as Allah points out again and again in the Quran is that no matter how big the kuffar and no matter how small the true believers, the true believers will always succeed. This is why the true muslims of Lebanon were able to kick out the Israelis. They have followed the example of Imam Hussain, who only with around 70 other relatives of the Prophet (PBUH) fought the secular army of 30,000 soldiers of "Caliph" Yazid!

I hope brother you will give us your opinions on this matter too. In this example of the Lebanese forcing out the Israelis is a lesson for all muslims of the world!

[muhammad]

salaam to all,

I don't know a lot about the history of Palestine, but would be very interested to know much more about it from the second world war onwards. The lebaneese victory was one that all Muslims should be joyful about, but instead very little has been made of this so far???

[Nur]

Originally posted by muhammad:
salaam to all,

I don't know a lot about the history of Palestine, but would be very interested to know much more about it from the second world war onwards. The lebaneese victory was one that all Muslims should be joyful about, but instead very little has been made of this so far???

Salaam,
That is because the enemies of Islam do not want to highlight the successes of true muslims. Notice, however, how they highlight the likes of Taliban, who haven't been totally islamic in their ways and who in the end are bound to fail. For example, limiting the freedom of women in a way that is actually against Islam. You see the media wants us to be influenced by those muslims who will fail in their methods, due to either ignorance of true Islam or because they are in reality tools used by the enemies of Islam to create disunity and confusion amongst muslims.

[Wais_Islam]

Originally posted by mahdi:
bismil khaleqil noor,
assalamo alaikom,
ever since the second world war palestine has been under the israeli rule. each attempt at freeing this sacred land resulted in more territory being lost.
1-what is the significance of palestine an is it an arab or muslim issue?
2-why did successive arab governmets failed to free this holy land?
3-what was the sybmbol of lebaneese resistance that drove israel out by force, for the first time in israeli history?
wasalam
mahdi

Salaam Mahdi and all my brothers and sisters under the fold of Islam, and Allah guide everyone including any non-Muslims on this site.

The questions are good although several other questions will arise from the answers too.

The answers should not in anyway be limited to what i say but mine may give us all an insight into the issues in brief.

1. Palestine has always been a Muslim issue although many low life arab leaders have accepted it as an Arab regional issue, i.e. as 'Arab-Israeli Conflict'. Recognition of this fact has limited interference from other Muslim states / peoples' psychology. The western media are very clever in manouvoureing the minds of Muslims so easily mostly because of our own fucccked up ignorant and vulnerable minds.

As u may know, Jerusalem used to be the original Qibla, and is regarded as the third most holiest place in Islaaam. Hence, this region will remain a Muslim issue forever. If ppl like Arafat and other Arab leaders deny this fact then they are denying history, history of the land itself. We all know the Prophet(pbuh)'s ascension to the heavens, Miraj, had taken place from jerusalem and also Isa (pbuh) will decend in that region and fight Dajjal and the Jews alongside Imam Mahdi and other Muslims. This proves that the period between then will be one of chaos and anarchy and Muslims will be fighting over this region until then at least if not after his historic arrival from the heavens.

This concept of nationalism has crept into the minds of Muslims so deeply that all their respective governments have failed to recognise the issue as one that should be tackled by all Muslims rather than just Arabs. The Jews however have been very clever in this respect saying it is an 'arab problem' and now a 'Palestinian' and for themselves it is a Jewish issue hence they have managed to get ALL the Jews together to fight the Palestinians or Arabs, intellectually or militarily.

What we should all realise is that the vast majority of the people of Palestine are still do not recognise Arafat to be their leader. He was installed along with the other arab spies he has in his government. When he sat in talks he did not consult the Palestinian population on his self-appointment because he knew that would be the last thing they'd want, retreat from liberation.

2. Successive arab government failed because they did not have a collective foreign policy against Israel from an Islamic perspective. Jordan and Egypt for example do not have Islamic governments and did not and recently banned Islamic political participation in their respective countries which have been most vocal against Israel and western support to Zionism. Again, nationalism has been the reason for their weak approach to the conflict. There was never a truly and islamically concerted effort agaist Israeli occupation. To this end groups like Hezbollah and Hamas have done far better jobs than the entire Muslim world put together, in combating western state sponsoring of Israelin / Jewish/ Zionist terrorism against the Muslims of Palestine. Paul Findley, former US Congress man wrote a book the Jewish lobby in the States. it is called 'They dare to speak out' and was a best seller in the US a few years back. Almost all US / western politicians hate him and his guts.

3.We should celebrate this success with joy but mustn't be complacent. This withdrawal marks an important turning point for the history of Palestine and the rest of the world because it shows that those who were wrong, Jews, have withdrawn. this proves the Islamic argument that they were wrong in occupying palestine and should set a precedent for the world that similar actions are owed by Isreal. We mustn't forget that Israeli military was never too weak to combat the Muslims in Lebanon, they didn't use excessive force for strategic reasons including military, political and economic ones. We could also argue that they have wothdrawn not because they were driven out but because they have 'other plans'. Just look at the way they are buying the Holy Land for free from Arafat's so called palestinian authority. believe me they could use 'security reasons' as the excuse to crack down on anyone anywhere be it in the so called autonomy or elsewhere. They could always use 'breach of agreement on security issues' to launch an offensive against the Palestinian Muslims anytime. And they sure can get finance as the Jews own the world of finance.

To conclude, we must praise the efforts of all the Muslims who have helped the 'MUSLIM' cause in Palestine, including all the martyrs, groups, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Ikhwanul Muslimoon etc. And may Allah curse the Muslims who opposed and still oppose them more than the non-Muslims, including the ones who say such Jihad is invalid until we have Khilafah. Amin.

[Wais_Islam]

come on brothers and sisters i'm sure there must be some criticism abt the lackings in my response above, pls write ur comments, u dont have to be politically minded.

[mahdi]

bismil khaleqil noor,
assalamu alaikum,
your comments are mostly valid. however, i think that the analysis of withdrawal of the zionists from lebanon was not correct.
although it is true that they have plans and without one they would not leave, but that is a general rule for any move by any country. what is important is for us to force them to change their plans and not to wishfully think that we stop them from planning. for the first time in their history they had to accept defeat and change their plan of 'iron fist' policy to 'running boots' policy and escape. hizbullah did not allow them to withdraw with honour, even during withdrawal kept on the pressure and attacked as many convoys as they could find. during the occupation they had three hundred operations against israel every month. that is 300x12x20=72000 operation and we wonder why they left!
in the twenty years that they were in lebanon they tried the 'iron fist' as hard as they could. back in the early 80's they attacked and raged a full scale war against a weaponless, armyless people who had nothing but allah s.w.t. to turn to. americans, british, french, itallian forces helped the israelis in addition to the phalanjists who were lebanese christians. the government of lebanon was on the israeli side too as they were too their agents. the internal muslim-christain war helped israel. a group of muslims took action by arming themselves and first challenged usa then one by one worked up and fight israeli proxy armies. finally they turned on the real enemy, israel. during this period israel kidnapped many of hizbullah leaders, constantly bombarded lebanon in an attempt to break their will and bring them to submission but everytime the dust settled, hizbullah went back for more. they killed shahid sayyed abbas mosavi (a cleric who was the first hizbullah founder and leader) by missiling his car and burning him and his family, they killed the son of the present leader shaikh nasrollah but their answer was always the same, they went and hunted more israelis.
only a few years ago in a 16 day war they attacked with full force from the land, sea and air to drive hizbullah out. during the attack which was everyday 24 hours a day for 16 days they lost more soldiers than hizbullah. in fact the only soldiers of hizbullah that died were those who had been martyred in attacks on israelis barracks.
israel said that they would stop attacks if hizbullah agrees to ceasefire, hizbullah in a reply said, you are our enemy and we have no ceasefire, leave while you can and at the end of each day sent more rocket back to israel just to say that we are still here and fighting.
it is this resolve that defeated israel and only because it was in the name of pure islam and no hypocretical islma s presented by the so called wine holding leaders of the arab world. i think the lessons are clear,
1- only fight in the name of islam
2- have a good pure muslim leader who is wise, intelligent and aware of the world politics like hizbullah did, imam khomeini and later ayatollah kha'mene-ie
3- do not count on losses as what given in the name of allah is a gain and not a loss
4- 'wa o'eddo lahom mas'ta'ta'tom minal qho'wwa', qur'an (give them as hard a force as you can).

in fact if our youth in the muslim world instead of falling victim in having hope in the corrupt despotic leader who are leftovers of colonialism turned to islam, we would all be free.
wasalam,
mahdi