Born again was reborn with a closed mind!

[Nur]

Salaam to all except the mischievous,

Brothers and sisters, there is one mistake you are all making when replying to born_again and Coolcalm - you believe their story about converting from Islam.

These guys don't bother actually answering any questions put to them regarding modern christianity. All they do is make random and uneducated comments about Islam. What is their evidence to prove that the Quran is not the Word of Allah?

Born_again says that we muslims believe in a God that we can't see. Well we are not unique in doing so - afterall isn't it what all the prophets (PBUT) preached? Did they not say they that we have to have faith in the One Unseen God, and didn't the idolaters laugh at them for this very reason. It looks like Born_again has more in common with the idolaters than the christians who will only accept a God they can see?

If Born_Again is right in saying that Christianity is right and that Muhammad(PBUH) is a false Prophet then the Christians of the time must have confronted Muhammad(PBUH). If Born_Again has the guts to confront muslims I'm sure the righteous Christians who lived at the time of the Prophet (PBUH) must have confronted him, especially since Muhammad(PBUH) corrected the Christians and Jews. Muhammad (PBUH) is a historical person so such meetings are actually well documented - can Born_again tell at which meeting the Christians proved Muhammad (PBUH) to be a false prophet - afterall TRUTH destroys falsehood. He cannot because history testifies that that all such meetings resulted in either the Christians becoming muslims (as they were expecting a Prophet in Arabia) or in them backing down.

For example, the muslims were brought before the King of Abyssinia, who was a christian king. The muslims had fled there because they were being persecuted in Mecca. There the muslims were tried on the request of one of the idolotrous leaders of Mecca, who was a good friend of the king. The kind of accusations that backdated born_again makes was made here, but the king wasa righteous and true christian and decided to hear the muslims side of the story. The muslims related the story of Maryum and Jesus (PBUH) as related in the Quran. After hearing what they had to say he wept until his beard was wet and he sad to the meccan leader that he would not hand over the muslims for a mountain of gold. Abyssinia actually became a muslim country and is today known as Ethiopia.


If Muhammad(PBUH) was a false prophet then his mission too must have been false, so he would have used false methods to get support. Why then does he (PBUH) claim to confirm what the Christians and Jews say - they were a minority group! Why did he give women rights to own property and many other important rights, at a time when baby girls were buried because they were thought to bring disgrace to a family? He would have gained more support if he did not support women's right! Why did he preach that slaves and masters were equal before God's eyes - this is one of the things which made the idolaters really hate the Prophet (PBUH? Why when given the chance to become a leader in Mecca and when he is offered anything he wants in exchange for stopping his mission, does he say "if they put the sun in my right hand and the moon in the left hand I will continue giving the message as it from God" (words to that effect)? A false Prophet should not feel guilty about making compromises in order to further his evil ways!

Why oh Born_Again, when Muhammad (PBUH) actually succeeds in his mission does he protect the Christians and the Jews? Why is there provision in Islam for protecting Christians and Jews and other believers in the One God? Why not wipe them out if he is a false prophet and wants to destroy the true religion?

If the Quran is a rip-off of the Bible then why the differences? For example as detailed in my earlier post, why do the two differ regarding the first miracle of Jesus(PBUH), the son of man (in the words of the bible)? What is the advantage of the Prophet (PBUH) departing from the Christian belief that the first miracle was the turning of water into wine, and saying that talking as a baby was the first miracle?

Also, during the last 200 years or so especially, there's been a conflict between Science and Christianity stemming from contradictions between biblical text and beliefs and Scientific fidings. If the Quran is a rip-off of the Bible then Science could also subject it to the same treatment as the bible, but they haven't. Instead they have tried to explain why the Quran is so consistent with scientific facts (as opposed to theories). This, however, is becoming increasingly difficult, because they are finding that the latest scientific findings, made possible by advanced technology, is not only not contradicted by the Quran but actually supported by the Quran explicitly. Some people have given up trying to provide explanations as to why the Quran is so consistent with Scientific facts and have decided to just accept it. So for example, an embryologist in America has acknowledged the Quran in the preface of one of his books, which is used as a textbook of medicine in the USA!

Can you explain this phenomena born_again of the Quran supporting the most modern scientific facts such as Big Bang Theory? God explains it in the Quran - he says that the Quran contians His Words and He will preserve it! While your bible varies from time to time and from one country to another and is constantly revised to please the egoistic desires of misguided people (eg now we have gay churches and priests and they claim there is no contradiction!) and does not exist in its original language, our Quran, which is Muhammad (PBUH)'s number one miracle (he has other miracles despite what you said!) is in its original form and is the same no matter where you are! If you wana know how its been preserved go to any mosque in any country of the world and you will see how - no, actually you are too ignorant and arrogant to do so I will tell you how! The Quran is learnt by heart in its original language by millions of people everyday and it was back then, making changes to the Quran impossible (although changes in the interpretation is possible as you Born_again have proven by interpreting the Quran in your own peculiar and malicious way!).

Instead of looking at Islam go and study your own religion Born_Again if you have one and try to investigate why it constantly changes and why people just can't take it seriously. Go and look into the history of Christianity, but beware you have to have an open mind (which I can't see happening with you as it was closed when you were re-born!). You will find that the early,righteous Christians were persecuted and and their religion polluted by the Roman and Greek beliefs. You will also find that the founder of Christianity and the concept of Trinity (which says that 1 = 3, explain that!) traces back to St Paul - and who is St Paul? You will find that he is not a disciple! Funny how Jesus (PBUH) taught his disciples, but you decide to follow the teachings of someone who is neither prophet nor disciple of a prophet! In fact, there is a book written by an objective Christian about the top 100 personalities of all time - Muhammad (PBUH) is at number one and Moses is close behind him for - and this may surprise you Born_Again cos it supports what Khadijah explained to you - having achieved the same as Muhammad (PBUH) but to a lesser extent! Interestingly St Paul is higher than Jesus (PBUH) because his influence on modern Chritianity with all its paganism, was much greater than that of Jesus (PBUH).

OK, enough for today. I'm not a scholar and don't claim to be one as you accused me of doing Born_Again, but I will speak my mind as you speak yours! Perhaps the idea of sending constructive postings has scared you. A lot more is coming your way Born_Again, inshaallah.

[Wais_Islam]

Salaam Nur,

RESPECT 2 ur arguments. REJECT 2 bornagain, the...

Wais

[shumon_1]

HI nur,
well said brother,..................lets kick these infidels out of this site!

[Farhana_faz]

Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

Good job bro..

wassalam

[BornAgainMuslim]

Assalamu alaikum Nur,

I couldn't have said it better!

[bornagain]

Salam to all including Nur.

Kya haal chaal hay, sachaii chup naheen sakti. (This is my native language
urdu)

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Salaam to all except the mischievous, Brothers and sisters, there is one mistake you are all making when replying
to born_again and Coolcalm - you believe their story about converting from
Islam.
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As if you know me personally or Coolcalm for that.
You like making false claims don't you?
You think you are big.

Well let me tell you that my God destroyed bigger and stronger Kings with big empires so what are you?

He controls the world and will come when it’s time to fulfil his word so stop barking like a dog for you prove nothing with your childish behaviour.

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These guys don't bother actually answering any questions put to them
regarding modern christianity. All they do is make random and uneducated
comments about Islam. What is their evidence to prove that the Quran is not
the Word of Allah?
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I have answered all the questions put to me in the past, care to read them
at the BBs, question is not answering questions but bringing the truth which
you and others are failing to bring forward.

Where are your historical sources?

No good saying to me Qur’an is word of God just because you believe it, if I said the same thing about the Bible I would be a fool, I have historical evidence + history is witness for prophecy in the Bible which has been true to the dot.

You may be disappointed to learn that the Bible has been put to the
historical test and proves itself and the Qur'an has not be put through the
same tests and Muslims won't allow it to go through this, they know it
will fall apart.

Poor Muslims when confronted with history bring the same nonsensical
argument of produce a sura like it.

Let me tell you a little story.
There was a kingdom called the Babylon Empire and there was not one like it,
the king thought of himself great and supreme and he thought his God's were
good and gracious and very strong. Then comes along my God Yahweh and he humbles this King by showing him who is supreme.

This is all true stories in the Torah, book of Daniel.

He then subsequently destroyed other empires like the Persians, Greeks,

Romans all prophesied in the Book of Daniel to name one.

Would you care to read it in Daniel?

It talks about Yahweh who can demolish any empire at the flick of a finger
because they did not pray to this God but to their made up Gods like you.

Now you come and tell me that this God who has revealed himself to me as
Jesus Christ is false and I believe in a false God.

I have a lot of secular non Christian evidence for the God of the Bible in
the British Museum for one and if you look at the history around the world
you will seek God of the Bible at work.

I can show you prophesied events which come to fulfilment which are in the
Torah, Zabur and Injil.

I can prove my God to you through non Christians sources and prove that
Jesus was raised from the dead from historical evidence.

Can you do the same on your part for Muhammad and the Qur’an?

Those that come to Jesus Christ he will save and they will see life after the grave.

Now can Muhammad do the same?

You have not proved Muhammad a prophet ordained by the God of the Bible!

Does Allah exists, is their any secular evidence?

What prophecy is filled in the Qur'an?

The above are all questions that you have failed to answer and yet you come
with all sorts of challenges.

It's good to talk because Jesus is the saviour for sinners like me.

Bornagain.

[Nur]

You know, I really wish you adress the points raised by me, but its obvious thats expecting to much of you!

You know you reply says everything about you and I think everyone will agree with me that you truly are a false person! There is only thin at this point that I woul like to make. You say is there any evidence that Allah (ie The God) exists. Well, I'm sorry but I assumed like everyone else here that Christians actually believe in The One God. I didn't realise Christianity has diverte so much that they are now denying the existence of their Maker! Well you have to answer for that on the Day of Judgement to your Maker!

Inshaallah, much more coming your way!