Please give proof that the Allah of Qur'an exists in reality

[WORD]

muhammad:
would you be willing to have a debate with me about terminologies for God.
You challenged us to look at the O.T. and see who Allah is. Well! I already did long ago and I found out that he is an oak tree which Yahweh forbed to worship or even to pray next to it. Check it yourself and the same is for your Muslim friends.
My challenge for you, go read your Muslim demonology books and see who your Allah is, if not the devil himself. I can give you a list of references from your Mulah's books. Isn't Hu one of Allah's names? Well check in Egyptian gods who Hu was.
Besides who are Akbar and Rahman of the Hindu?
One Allah's names is "al-mutakabbir" what does it mean? and also "al-dhar" what doesn it mean? When you'll explain them accodring to their true meaning we'll see if those are Yahweh's attributes or satan's.

[muhammad]

Word you are just playing with words!

We (as Muslims) do not accept the OT/NT (in Hebrew) as the word of God so all your points about the Hebrew version of Allah are invalid. Despite what you may think, we do not accept the speculation about Jesus's life (PBUH) from the "opinion" of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

My point about the OT is that the God described there has similar attributes to Allah, which is completely distinct from the NT. I WILL ASK ONCE AGAIN PLEASE ANSWER THIS TIME - Can you explain why the one God of love and peace killed so many people because of their behaviour in the OT?

Furthermore, please can you clarify that Jesus (PBUH) was not praying to himself in the NT, but to Yahweh!

Another question I would like an answer for: If Jesus is God then does that make Mary the mother of God? I ask this because it was one of the issues hotly debated in the meeting at Nicaea (the one bornagain doesn't know about).

Thanks in advance - I look forward to some enlightenment.

[muhammad]

You said:
Sura 18:86 states "...when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring..." Can you enlighten us and tell us how this statement fits with modern science and facts about the universe?

Boring - at least read what has previously been discussed before participating.

Anyone who understands the arabic of the verse knows exactly what it means. According to your logic, there is no such thing as the far east (because you are taking relative terms literally)!



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[WORD]

Muhammad,
I am not playing with words. Otherwie, prove me wrong!
So now you reject the OT/NT as a whole! Where does guru Muhammad and his Quran say so? Aren't you discriditing your own prophet and his book? And why you can't accept the four gospels?
Lets check your accusations about God in the OT and lets compare them with Allah's attrocities. BTW, you didn't answer my question: What are the meanings of al-mutakabbir and al-dhar? Where does the Bible say that those are Yahweh's attributes? Do you want me to show where it actually states that those are satan's attributes, not God's?
Which Jesus are you talking about? There are several and all are false, except the One who is Jesus Christ the Son of God, God in the flesh who died and rose again. I assume that you main the Bible's Jesus! Before I answer you, can you tell me what do you know about God's Authority-Relationship-Obedience? If you don't know about those three foundational turths about the Bible God, I can't explain to you how God prayed to God. You wouldn't grasp it. This is like talking about quintum physics!
Where in the Bible did you read Mary is the mother of God? Mary was the mother of Jesus the man, not the God. Once you would understand what does it mean that Jesus is fully man and fully God then you'll get my point.
Sorry, I can't enlighten you. Only Jesus/Holy-Spirit has that power.
To you and to all your other friends, who is your Allah? I want rational answers from three sides, linguistics, etymology and theology. And don't forget to check his name and attributes in demonology and also among the Masons. He is one of their three gods and they symolize him by a serpent. Go check it!

[muhammad]

BTW word you are discussing with Muslims so why do you keep quoting the bible to prove your point? Muslims DO NOT ACCEPT any of your many bibles as proof.

I haven't got time at the moment to enter into a full theological discussion, but here are some questions for you to be thinking about (I have asked these questions elsewhere too, but you've ignored them):

Can you explain why the one God of love and peace killed so many people because of their behaviour in the OT?

Can you clarify that Jesus (PBUH) was not praying to himself in the NT, but to Yahweh! Please explain why you believe God prays to Himself and asks Himself for help?

Another question I would like an answer for: If Jesus is God then does that make Mary the mother of God? I ask this because it was one of the issues hotly debated in the meeting at Nicaea (the one bornagain doesn't know about).

[Fary]

I'd like to know something from the anti-Allah group:

What is reality?

How is one to know what reality is?

On this basis of a definition of reality how is one to know if Yahweh of the Bible
actually exists as opposed to a general
understanding of how God a creator exists.

Same question, different theme!
The ball is in YOUR court fellas...


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Sometimes it is smarter to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
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Fary

[Nur]

Originally posted by Fary:
I'd like to know something from the anti-Allah group:

What is reality?

How is one to know what reality is?

On this basis of a definition of reality how is one to know if Yahweh of the Bible
actually exists as opposed to a general
understanding of how God a creator exists.

Same question, different theme!
The ball is in YOUR court fellas...

Salaam,
Sister Faz, excellent points! They think the whole world revolve around them. Well let me ask the three-headed people a few questions. In the Encyclopedia Britanicca it says that one of the big problems with Christianity is that there are 22,000 denominations! (WOW - more than I thought). Which one of these 22,000 denominations do yuo belong to BornAgain and the other three-fingered ppl? We need to know this so that we know where you're coming from.

Also, and I found this very funny, it says in Encyclopedia Britanicca that Christianity has done something unique in the history of religion and that is it has accepted the beliefs of a completely different religion, namely Judaism. It goes on to say that Judiasm and the Old Testament insists (INSISTS I TELL YOU MAN!) on a monotheistic God, ie in the One God, whearas Christians insist that Jesus (PBUH) as literally the son of God? so which is it to be The One God, Allah as preached by EVERY SINGLE PROPHET (PBUH) or the bold three-in-one man-God?

Dear three-fingered people - Allah, you're Creator sounds very similar to the God in the Old Testament, and the same Prophets (PBUT) and their stories are mentioned in both the Quran and the Old Testament. This is why, as you said youreself, Word, that the majority of Christians and Jews accept Allah as referring to the God in the Old Testament. Give us a good reason why we should discuss this matter with you, considering that you are a minority even in your own Christian world?

The God you describe, seems to be one that makes mistakes, forgets to tell all his prophets (PBUT) about his "flesh" relatives, and changes His mind about punishments for commiting sins. Have you not read the Old Testament and the stories about those people who were destroyed by God - this was Mohammed's point - Allah also describes in the Quran how He destroyed these people mentioned in teh Old Testament! If you want a serious discussion make serious points.

Sister Faz, I hope the rubbish these three-headed people (with one open brain cell!) have been coming out with in recent weeks has strengthened your faith in Islam!

Keep up the good work Mohammed! More to come!