ANY ONE 4RM HIZBUT-TAHRIR/KHILAFA

[hassan_hoque]

salaam

If ur a beliver in theideals of the hizbut-tahrir post a message sayingwhat made uact accordingto the ideals and principals ofthe hizbut-tahrir...

or ifhold strong opinios on them please post it here.

thanx..salaam

[Wais_Islam]

Originally posted by hassan_hoque:
salaam

If ur a beliver in theideals of the hizbut-tahrir post a message sayingwhat made uact accordingto the ideals and principals ofthe hizbut-tahrir...

or ifhold strong opinios on them please post it here.

thanx..salaam

So are you a HT then, just asking? All the HTs I have come across always say no at first and then yes.

[hassan_hoque]

am i AHIZBUTtARIR BROTHR i have to say all the HT brothers ive met comeout with it the first time i ask or its in question.

But since your asking me if i am a hizbut tahrir brother..il say im not and im notlieing. But i have a mate who is now and his trying to convince me into it if u know what i mean..i make it sound as if there compleatly different but there not..im only starting this so i oe us/we can get a better idea of what the hizbut tahrir want and how much of a good or bad they are...so if u know any thing contreversial aboutthem post and we will discuss..

ps let me know honestly if i come across as a hizbut tahrir.. thanx

salaam and peace beupon us all

[Nur]

Originally posted by hassan_hoque:
am i AHIZBUTtARIR BROTHR i have to say all the HT brothers ive met comeout with it the first time i ask or its in question.

But since your asking me if i am a hizbut tahrir brother..il say im not and im notlieing. But i have a mate who is now and his trying to convince me into it if u know what i mean..i make it sound as if there compleatly different but there not..im only starting this so i oe us/we can get a better idea of what the hizbut tahrir want and how much of a good or bad they are...so if u know any thing contreversial aboutthem post and we will discuss..

ps let me know honestly if i come across as a hizbut tahrir.. thanx

salaam and peace beupon us all

Salaam,
Brother I don't think there are any members of HT here. Brother there are many movements within the Islamic world and most have good intentions, and although there may be differences we have more in common. This is why in the Quran it says that we should unite by Allah's rope and not by our own standards. If you want to find out about any particular group it is important you look at the history of the group and see why they arose - you will notice that many of the different groups have certain ideas and then they try to support their ideas with hadiths and Quranic verses - this is a mistake and is the method used by christians, which is why have diverted so much from the Truth. The Prophet (PBUH) said when one hears an utterance from him (PBUH) they should check it against the Quran, because it is the TRUTH!

So the true believers and followers of Islam will not be bothered about being in a group, but will see what the Quran has to say, and find support for it from hadiths and history - then they will form an opinion.

[Wais_Islam]

Salaam brothers,

Hasan, I personally do not like HT because they think they are the only righteous group. Now I won't get into an argument with you because we can go on and on. But let me tell you something: there are so many other organisations like YMs, YMO, their parent orgs (ISB and IFE), JIMAS etc etc. and none of them like HT, not because they don't want khilafah, who doesn't, but because they have history of condemning innocent Islamic activists, be it Hamas or Hezbollah or any UK based group. HT has had problems mainly because of OBM, it's former leader's odd comments and approaches in the past as well as his that of his fellow activists, whose names I do not wish to mention. It's upto u if u wanna join or not, but please know HT's original founder and the group itself have had almost no impact in the middle east, so don't expect it to have much impact in the UK.

Nur, you're wrong when you say group's use hadiths for their own interests. Group names are merely brand names to differentiate their level of activism, they weren't established to misguide people and lead them astray from the 'middle path'. Those that condemn groups very often pray in mosques that were constructed as a result of their activity. It's easy to criticise people and say they don't refer to Quran and Sunnah - some of us tend to think we're the only one who do this. I hope u will understand where I'm coming from.

Salaam

[Nur]

Originally posted by Wais Islam:
Salaam brothers,

Nur, you're wrong when you say group's use hadiths for their own interests. Group names are merely brand names to differentiate their level of activism, they weren't established to misguide people and lead them astray from the 'middle path'. Those that condemn groups very often pray in mosques that were constructed as a result of their activity. It's easy to criticise people and say they don't refer to Quran and Sunnah - some of us tend to think we're the only one who do this. I hope u will understand where I'm coming from.

Salaam

Salaam,
Brother I was merely making a general observation - not necessarily comdemning them. The intention may not be to misguide the people, but it has had bad effects. This is especially true because each one claims to be the rightly guided sect who will go to heaven and the rest will go to hell! When the truth is that both in the Quran and in the utterances of the Prophet (PBUH) a group is not named but described! When people start using names, sometimes they start fighting for the name itself rather than for Islam. And brother you only have to look at history and the book produced by each of the groups that exist - each one will quote those hadith which seem to support them, but will ignore those that actually don't fit in with their ideology. If the christians looked into their own history they see where they went wrong. We have to apply the same standard to ourselves and also look into our history to find the truth and avoid following that which is wrong. What can possibly be wrong with the advice that one should look at when and why a group emerged? It is in fact foolish not to do so, and is what led the christians on teh wrong path! You say that each group has a name to differentiate the different levels of activism, but this is not true - the different names tell us that they have different views regarding certain aspects of Islam and this is quite clear from the literature these different groups provide!

Also brother, I have avoided mentioning any particular group. But you know if a group is responsible for building a mosque thats good, a person or group's good actions does not mean they are right in what they teach.

For example, if you look into Islamic history and look at Hadhrat's Caliphate you will know that he was assasinated by a member of a group known as the Kawarij. Now Hadhrat Ali as the Caliph waged a war against these people, despite the fact that outwardly these ppl were very islamic. For example, they used to fast during the day, pray all night - in fact in the history books they are described as having a mark on their forehead because they prayed so much! Yet Ali (AS) fought them!

Some ppl may consider Hadhrat Ali to have done the wrong thing, but this is wrong! Firstly he was the Caliph! Secondly consider this story:

Ali (AS) in one of the islamic battles was about to kill a yahudi, when the yahudi spat in his face. Ali (AS) walked away without killing him. When asked why he said that at that moment he felt anger and did not want to risk killing him for personal reasons.

In other words when he waged the war against the Kawarij it was a just war - and he did that despite their other good actions!



[This message has been edited by Nur (edited 15 July 2000).]

[Versace-boy]

salam hasan bhai..


i would like to learn more about H T

some brothers in Nottingham (where i live) are in H T, but they are hard to locate I think one is in london and one os in the states.