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[Wais_Islam]

Originally posted by Nur:
Salaam,
I agree with you Wais bro, but I understand why Abdur Rahman wrote what he did! Brother Rahman, I have a feeling that you have had personal experiences with certain groups and did not like what you saw, but many people will not understand you and the way you made your point sounded like it was putting down the genuine efforts of certain people to spread Islam! Having said that brother Rahman don't be offended by my comments - I actually agree with what you say, perhaps for the same reasons. Brother Wais and Abdur Rahman, I think we should get together sometimes in MSN and have a net discussion - what do you say where it will become more apparent why we have the views we do! Brother Wais. I agree with AR's point that just because an organisation has the greatest number of educated people and is also the strongest financially or politically doesn't mean that it is the best group! If one looks at the history of all the Prophets (PBUT) and the pious people one will that they never really had strong political power and that it was usually the people at the lower end of society who supported them! But despite this they succeeded, because they had the TRUTH and truth always defeats falsehood, no matter how powerful it is! To give you an example, consider the history of Hussain, the grandson of the Prophet (PBUH), one of the two leaders of the youths of Paradise:

At the time of Hussain, the Caliph was Yazid, son of Abu Sufyan (who opposed the Prophet (PBUH) from beginning to end) and Hind (who ate the heart and liver of the Prophet (PBUH)'s beloved uncle and made ornaments out of other parts of his body). Hussain along with around 70 other relatives of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) fought an army of 30,000 and were slaughtered. If you research this history deeply you will see it is an event which saved Islamic principles from being corrupted in the same way that Chritianity and other religions became corrupt.

This story shows us that the minority , who were Hussain and his comrades even though they were small in numbers and had no political power fought against an army of the Islamic Empire, which was powerful and apparently islamic but which was with falsehood! What is apparently Islamic may, deliberately or not, be going against the teachings of Islam - for this reason it is important we know about the different groups and that we take what they say with a pinch of salt and that we don't end up following the name of a group instead of Islam. We have to subject every person and group to the islamic scrutiny and must not accept it on blind faith what they say! Nothing wrong with working with any of these groups, but lets not substitute Islam as a whole with a sect whose history is shorter than that of Islam!

Salaam Nur, All I'm saying is that one shouldn't be dissuaded from joining a group, which I repeatedly ask and advise you not to term as a 'sect'. A sect implies a misguided group and you have no right to call these groups sects. Besides I suggest you advise AR not to bring in his opinions if they are from his 'personal' experiences/disagreements. many people leave /defect from organisations and many join as new members. Neither you nor AR have the right to discourage people from joining orgs or even suggest that they are misguided and WRONG. Clearly we do not want to condemn others using words like WRONG/MISGUIDED/SECT/HARAM. These phrasing often create bitter feelings. FYI, you could be on the wrong too but so far no one has suggested that - it's only people like yourself and AR who clearly do not understand the Islamic Movement and it's contributions or discreetly hate their activity that give people the image that Islamic people are disunited. True they are in their approaches but not in their doctrines/aqida, beliefs, etc. You think it's only independent people like yourselves that refer to Quranic and Hadith narrations. Clearly these groups do the same too, and now please don't say they are WRONG in their interpretations. THANK YOU.