Muhammad prophet and his deeds

[bornagain]

Quranic believers try to paint Muhammad as a Saint - often they try to make out that he was sinless. Well this is patently untrue.

What is so horific about this man was the way he tortured and killed people in the most gruesome ways and thought nothing of it.

Here is one example of the deeds of this man who Qur'anic believers put on par with their "god" in their statement of faith the Shahadah.

During the year 628 A.D., eight men from the clan of Uraynah, came to Medina. They became Muslims. While there they got sick. Muhammad prescribed a medicine for them: he told them to drink camel milk and camel urine. After the men got better, they brutally murdered the shepherd of the camels, stole the camels, and tried to escape. Muhammad sent an armed party of 20 men after them. They were caught and brought back to Medina. There, Muhammad pronounced their judgment: their eyes were branded with hot irons, then plucked out, their hands and feet were cut off, and then, while still alive, they were thrown out on the hot desert to die.

One can read the whole account here:
http://members.tripod.com/~Islam_Unveiled/Uraynian


bornagain

[Abdur_Rahman]

Never mind Muhammad (Pbuh)even his ordinary followers of the Truth are far higher and above than everything you and your lot live for.
More to come...

[BornAgainMuslim]

What is the point of giving a story without any historical reference - it's meaningless.

The link you gave doesn't work either.

Anyone can make up a story to attack Muhammad (PBUH) or anything else. So what?

[bornagain]

Abdur Rahman, BornAgainMuslim and the rest,

You like talking don't you well why don't you go and worship 'Chor Munais Pirsab' as most of your lot are, you said tens of thousands!

This shows idolatery in action in the Muslim world where they worship ordinary men who are their to scam the gullible people.

Here is the link again.
http://members.tripod.com/~Islam_Unv..._Muhammad.html

You will find the references their too.


Now Shall we talk about the quran first.

You mentioned that we have 4 books, what about you. do you still believe
that you have ONE only?

Let me remind you that there are, as least, FOUR Qurans. THREE of the
have
preceaded the Uthmanic version which you have now and were more
authorative
than it and the worst they all differ from one anther and condemn each
other. how can you still logically and rationally boast about anyone of
them, especially the Uthmanic which you have?!!!
The FOUR Qurans are:

1- Ibn Masud's Quran
2- Ibn Kab's Quran
3- Ali's Quran
4- Zaid's Quran (Hafsa's Quran or the khaliph's, which was compilled
under Uthman's order).

Without mentioning the 7 readings and the other probable copies like the
Yeman's scripts which were found in the 70's...

Read the history of the compilation of your book and be careful when and
how
to point your fingers toward others, especially the Bible. Remember that
whenever you point your index toward someone, three fingers are pointed
toward you. Therefore, we now ask you to explain to us how come that
right after Muhammad's death there were at least FOUR versions of the Quran
and all in the hands of close friends and disciples of Muhammad.

Where is that promise of Allah which says: "inna luhu la 7afidun!"

How come that Allah fail to preserve the "original" Quran and how come
he couldn't prevent Westerners (Christians) from getting a copy from the
Yeman's scripts which differ largly from your Uthmanic version and
preceeded it?

How come that Allah failed to get hold of that copy and have it burned
in oil with the other "perverted" copies?

How come that those lately found copies could have passed to the West
and are now carefully studied and scrutinized by Christian and secular
scholars?

Would you still insist that the Quran is one? I still have dozens of
embarrassing questions for you and for your Muslim friends regarding that book.

Have you ever heard of the Hindus' Vidas, it is older that your Quran
and has been preserved for more than 2000 years, why don't you believe in it
and consider it as "God's holy book" also?

DON'T ANSWER ME, ANSWER THE READERS IN THIS FORUM AND WHEN YOU DO BRING
US LOGICAL AND RATIONAL ANSWERS WITH SECULAR PROOF AND NOT SOME FAIRY-TALES
OF OLD WOMEN. WE'LL BE WAITING FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR SO CALLED SCHOLARS ANSWERS!

bornagain to tell the truth and more to come!

[This message has been edited by bornagain (edited 28 June 2000).]

[Nur]

Salaam to all except those who worship other than the One God as preached by every single prophet (PBUT).

Born_Again,
You really have no influence in this board room anymore. If you had talked in a nice way you may have had some chance. What was the urdu in aid of by the way - this gave the whole game away! You see Pakistanis are not the only Muslims in the world and there are plenty of Christians there, although you seem to be an unusual case! You seemed to believe that by proving you can speak urdu, you have proven that you were a muslim - how silly you are! You are new_born, so I assume you have even departed from mainstream christianity. What is it with you born agains, by the way - is it true you speak your own unique language known to you as Mother of All Tongues and known to the rest of man as Gobbledigooks! What are your beliefs anyway - is God, "the father", entirely out of the equation now - is the "Son" now in power and is the Holy Spirit starting a rebellion? Tell us what your beliefs are so that we may be guided (by knowing what to avoid!).

More later!