100s murdered in Karbala Iraq

[samtel]

[quote]Originally posted by Star

Originally posted by samtel

look here idiot - i don't know what my forefathers did in 650AD or 800AD - and it doesn't matter a bit what they did? where am i now? i'm in London? i don't look at this world through the narrow focus you do - that you were born in Asia - so you can only think about Asia. We're all decsended from one man - we're all the creation of one God.

This isn't about whether or not Arabs were great or not - this is about MY Faith - and the teachers of our Faith...

So you are proud to be in London. You should feel sorry for being in Kafiristan. lol ! I know you do not look the world through a narrow focus, you are behaving like a Ostrich. Ask your Arab Masters to treat you guys at least like a human being... Utter shameful!!!

[Khilari]

Originally posted by samtel
Looking at the interest these Bangladeshis have about Arab world, I am certain if one thing Islam has done is made some slaves in distant Bangladesh.

Mr. Star what were your forefathers doing in 650 AD or 800 AD??? Catching fish in the swamps. Why do you bother about Iraq? Do some resarch on your forefathers instead..

Arabs were great that does not make Bangladeshis great. Yes one thing- they need toilet cleaners and sweepers and 100% of them in the Gulf are hired from Bangladesh. They are not even paid their salary of 60 Dollars/month regularly. There was recently a BBC programme on that. Feel sorry for them and do something for your own countrymen being used as slaves in the Gulf.

I think your post (above) exemplifies your stupidity and invalidity of argument.

I have reposted it here for all to see

I apologise, however if you are under the age of 10, in which case the post is an accurate representation of the associated IQ.

[samtel]

Originally posted by Khilari

I think your post (above) exemplifies your stupidity and invalidity of argument.

I have reposted it here for all to see

I apologise, however if you are under the age of 10, in which case the post is an accurate representation of the associated IQ.

I do think the same way...Khilari

I think your post (above) exemplifies your stupidity and invalidity of argument.

I have reposted it here for all to see

I apologise, however if you are under the age of 10, in which case the post is an accurate representation of the associated IQ

Let others judge your IQ. Being a Muslim in first place retards your mental growth, correct me if I am wrong.

[Hasan_Ali_Imam]

Br. Desi Soul,

Thanks for your contribution.

1. History – which version?

Regarding the history of spread of Islam in Persia, it does depend on which version we choose to use. Any nationalist would fiercely defend his version of history at the expense of objectivity and fairness (justice). Any wrong committed by his own people would be ignored and focus on the wrongs of his adversaries and vice versa. According to Asad Seif's version (in Iran chamber), Arabs were invaders and oppressors which is why it took a long time (200 yrs) for Iranians to convert to Islam.

However, if we read T.W. Arnold’s book, ‘Spread of Islam in the world’ we get a different picture.The Iranians offered little resistance to the Arabs because they were already disillusioned with the oppressive Sasanid dynasty and the Zoroastrian priesthood who persecuted different religious bodies. Hence the Arab conquest was seen as deliverance where they were granted religious freedom and exempt from military service. The Zoroastrians were treated as the ‘People of the Book’. Arnold says that Islam was especially welcomed by the townsfolk, the industrial class and artisans, whose occupations made them impure according to Zoroastrian creed as their trade defiled fire. Arnold also says that widespread conversion was not due to force as evidenced by the toleration extended to those who clung to the ancient faith. During the reign of al-Mutasim, A Muslim general ordered an imam and a muadhihn to be flogged because they destroyed a fire temple in Sughd and built a mosque in its place. Embracement of Islam was voluntary. Now Arnold says that Islam did spread rapidly but Asad Seif says there was a period of silence over 200 years. For a whole country to be converted over 200 years would appear to be rapid in historical time. Looking at it another way, the fact that it took 200 years is proof that people were not forced into converting.

Seif says that the Iranian identity was protected through the Farsi language, thus gaining victory after their defeat by the Arabs. However, preservation of a language is not victory nor defeat. Language just is. Arabic words had been brought into the Farsi language, that does not mean Arabs were again victorious! Languages merge and evolve. Likewise, foreign words had been incorporated into the Arabic language. Language does not denote identity or state of affairs of a nation. What was absent from Seif’s work was that Husain (R) married Shahbanu, the daughter of the Sasanid King Yezdigrad. This should be seen as a marriage of two cultures.

Seif is wrong to claim that the ‘pen’ as described in the Quran is meant to strike fear in the hearts of the umma. The pen is described as a teaching tool. Emphasis is placed on reading and knowledge, which is why the Arabs had been leaders in the field of medicine, Astronomy, geography, mathematics, chemistry etc. Seif would seem to deny this. Seif also says that Iranian culture was more advanced and this was incorporated into the ruling Arab culture. He portrays this in a negative light that Arabs were less cultured which had to adopt a superior Iranian culture. The other way of looking at it is that the Arabs were open minded enough to learn from another culture instead of destroying it. The thirst for knowledge from outside and their internal research led to be leaders in the field of science.

So which version of history would you choose?


2. Britannica and selectiveness

You didn’t respond to this from my previous post, so I assume you agree with what I said?

3. Fighting injustice

I don’t think you had answered the point I raised. Knowing how evil Saddam was in his use of chemical weapons and torture, would you sit silently or would you intervene? If you did intervene for justice and fairness for all, would you regard yourself as someone who is a pretender or someone who is fighting injustice?

4. The Shia website – Answering Ansar.org

You mentioned this website and quoted the part where it said that the battle of Karbala between Husain (R) and Yazid was a battle of two concepts (Shia and Sunni). I and br.Star had already mentioned that Husain (R) and his quest for justice is shared by both Sunnis and Shias. Yazid is not part of the 4 Rightly Guided Caliphs and so the Shia website is wrong to suggest that Karbala was a battle between Sunnism and Shiaism. Incidentally, a few quotes in Britannica are found which states that the people of Kufa encouraged Husain (R) to revolt, only letting him down at the last minute. Britannica does not refer to the clash of Sunnism and Shiaism. So would you choose the Britannica’s version or the Shia website’s version? The Sunni/Shia disparity started after the death of Muhammad (S) in a dispute on who should succeed the Prophet (S), not after Karbala. But Both Sunnis and Shias today agree that bridges need to be built.

Peace
Hasan

[samtel]

If Islam was spread peacefully and voluntarily ...then why did the Parsees come to India for shelter, thousand of miles away???? Just to protect their faith and the Hindus were generous enough to provide them shelter and protect their faith. Do not make imaginary stories about Islam, accept the fact that it was spread everywhere with violence.

But you know what happens, after a few generations those whose forefathers were converted forget everything and involve in the same business. I think every Bangladeshi should feel pity for their own forefathers who had to suffer so much in the hands of Muslims.... Will they do it? Nop, because this is human nature.

Now, America is doing the same thing which the Muslims did in the middle ages, why do you guys cry now???

[Star]

Originally posted by samtel
If Islam was spread peacefully and voluntarily ...then why did the Parsees come to India for shelter, thousand of miles away???? Just to protect their faith and the Hindus were generous enough to provide them shelter and protect their faith. Do not make imaginary stories about Islam, accept the fact that it was spread everywhere with violence.

But you know what happens, after a few generations those whose forefathers were converted forget everything and involve in the same business. I think every Bangladeshi should feel pity for their own forefathers who had to suffer so much in the hands of Muslims.... Will they do it? Nop, because this is human nature.

Now, America is doing the same thing which the Muslims did in the middle ages, why do you guys cry now???

we were born Muslim - we've known no other faith.

and we believe it to be the true faith.

you cannot tell us what faith we should or should be on the basis of where we were born.


as for peace - we're practising Islam, we would know if it's a religion of peace or not - we don't need ignorant idiots who have no clue about Islam tellin us about the faith we are practising ourselves.

Moreover - you have shown yourself to hold evil, violent, and inhumane views - if you're an example of Hinduism and I'm an example of Islam - than it's quite clear you're following the faith of violence. You're the one who laughs and wishes for the deaths of muslims...you're the one who publicises hindu-fanatic groups.


as for me being born in London - i didn't say i was proud of it, you IDIOT. I said i was born here.

[samtel]

Originally posted by Star ]

Let us judge who is this London Born Star???
[b]we were born Muslim - we've known no other faith.[/B
My Answer, if you are born Muslim your penis should have been circumcised by God. This means you are not born Muslim But born as a Human Being then you degraded yourself, OK?

[b]and we believe it to be the true faith.{/B]
My Answer=> You are a frog in the well

as for peace - we're practising Islam, we would know if it's a religion of peace or not - we don't need ignorant idiots who have no clue about Islam tellin us about the faith we are practising ourselves.
My Answer=> We see in our daily life, what is this peace is all about. Examples of peace you can see in the Globe. Terrorism and Crime, no body can compete with you guys.

Moreover - you have shown yourself to hold evil, violent, and inhumane views - if you're an example of Hinduism and I'm an example of Islam - than it's quite clear you're following the faith of violence. You're the one who laughs and wishes for the deaths of muslims...you're the one who publicises hindu-fanatic groups.
My Answer=>Hindus never beleive in violence, at least their religious books never preach killing unbelievers. But how long even a peaceful race can tolerate violence against them???