FOR ANDYWELIK, OBJECTIVITY

[sydneyAhmed]

SALAM TO YOU AND EVERYONE ,


I may not be able to rest the case here with you andywelik unless of course you maintain some objectivity. You only know what state of mind you hold when you discuss the issues here. It is obvious to me that you are passionate and hold your faith very dear to yourself. I admire your zeal, the way you try to defend your indefenceble position. Islam truly can use some one like you to spread its message. After you have finished reading what I write below I hope things will be somewhat clear for you. I do it without ever insulting your faith or your belief system. So I ask you please stop writing in foul manner about any faith. I know sometime overzealot Muslims do the same and you respond in kind. I have asked the fellow muslim brothers not to do that. Whoever is doing it is simply commiting evil. Misunderstanding that you are creating about your own faith to the Muslims is not good either. For example, as you would say that you do not worship 3 gods ¡V rather the truth is you only associate partner with one True God the Al-Mighty, and you should say that clearly. And in that formation some sects of Christianity do worships Jesus (as), some the father and some the Holy Ghost and even some worship Mary the mother of Jesus (as). Islam categorically condemns worship of anything but the One Living God (swt), and absolutely with no association of any kind. Whether you would like to admit it or not the fact is, our God is the same God, Allah (swt), should not be insulting to Muslims. As a muslim we find it the utmost state of sinfulness when God (swt) is associtated with a partner. So some of us lash out without realizing that God does not need the Muslims to defend His Holiness and Singularity. They are supposed to set examples with their way of life and be tolarent and patient. When the Prophet (saw) broke the idols in the house of God he was not defending God, he was simply cleaning the house of God as was commanded. And one last appeal, please understand the events that occurred during the life time of the Prophet (saw) and his actions as it was meant to be within the context of that time and its customs and culture. Only then you will be able make sense with Muslims ¡V because then it will show that you have some knowledge and you are trying to understand. And your total misunderstanding of Quran and its meaning is saddening. But I will help you soon and explain your challenges. But first I want to make a passionate appeal to you and other Christians to get down from their ivory tower of make-belief and descend to the lard realities of life. What I present below is within reason, logic and rationality and certainly within the human psyche as well.
As you know Jesus Christ was a perfect man in the context of his age, but no more than a man. He reached the heights which he was destined to reach as a special messenger of God entitled the Messiah. This made him unique among all the prophets since the time of Moses to the time of his advent.
Every prophet is assigned a difficult task indeed. They have to bring about reformation among a people that have become thoroughly evil. In the case of Jesus, this task was made even more difficult because he was not only to fight against the common evils of society, but he was to bring about a dramatic and revolutionary change in the attitude of the Jewish people, a historical fact.
As it happens in the case of followers of every religion, with the passage of time they gradually deviate away from truth and begin to wander in the wilderness of sin. So did it happen in the case of the Jewish people, Bible would testify to this fact. By the time of the advent of Jesus, metaphorically speaking and I hope you understand this that the Jews had virtually become spiritually dead. The water of divine life had ebbed out, leaving behind dead stony hearts. How do we know that? The way Jewish priests punished him. The task Jesus was assigned was to transform them once again into living pulsating human hearts and to bring forth from them springs of human kindness. This was the miracle Jesus wrought and there you will find his greatness.
So far reading your explanations and your underlying compulsions to make others believe something which is outside the human nature is indeed an worthwhile effort. But shouldn¡¦t God the Holy of all Holiness have taken in a daughter rather than a son? If not why not? ¡§But with all decency the creation of the myths of Jesus¡¦ deification and his so-called role in the Trinity as the Son of God! But the third person in the Christian dogma of Trinity, that is the Holy Ghost is bit of an enigma. Why could not ¡¥Two in One¡¦ suffice and why was there the need to introduce the third entity into this fundamental doctrine? Logically, the third entity has no justification to occupy a place in the Christian concept of godhead. Harnack, a commentator on this question feels that initially, Christianity was represented by a dryad in God and Jesus. It later encompassed the church referring to it as ¡¥The Spirit¡¦ to add an element of divinity to what would otherwise be a hollow and implausible third partner. This also served as an excellent anti-judaic tool.1 Rev K.E. Kirk in his essay on The Evolution of the Doctrine of Trinity has this to say on the same subject:
¡¥We naturally turn to the writers of that period to discover what grounds they have for their belief. To our surprise, we are forced to admit that they have none. The question as it presented itself to them was not, Why three persons? but rather Why not?¡¦
He goes on to point out the complete failure of Christian theology to produce any logical justification for the trinitarian doctrine and the Christian triad could be explained as essentially a binatarian concept to which a third disparate entity was laced in order to paint a more complete picture.
We believe that this entity gradually evolved under the influence of earlier pagan philosophies and myths which abounded in the Roman empire. The exchange of ideas must have drawn Christian theologians to determine the position of the Holy Ghost. As there is ample evidence of the existence of such faiths or cults that visualized God as being composed of three entities in one, it is not difficult to trace back the ultimate source of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. After all if two could be one, and one two, why could not three be one as well. It is for the research scholars to determine exactly when and how the third entity of the Christian godhead took its firm roots in Christian mythology.¡¨ Here, I only wish to examine the absurdity of such claims that are rejected outright by human understanding. Human nature spurns self-contradictory and paradoxical ideas. I hope you still kept up with your open mindedness and objectivity. It is okay if you find this mean but I assure you that is not my intention. I am simply pointing out the facts from some Christian scholar as well. My motto in life is love for everyone, hatred for none.

Now the world of Islam and Christianity are jointly awaiting the second advent of Jesus Christ. They must not forget that the Jesus who was destined to come had to be essentially the same Jesus in character and style of mission. However, according to the prophesies of the founder of Islam, Hazrat Mohammed, this Jesus was to appear in his second advent not in the world of Christianity but in the world of Islam. Yet the great miracle he was to bring about was to be the same. But this time it were to be the hearts of the Muslims of the latter days, which he would be assigned to transform. This understanding of his second advent is fully supported by some other prophesies of the Holy Prophet. He predicted that the state of the people of Islam, during the latter days, would be so similar to that of the Jewish people during their decadent period, as one of the pair of shoes is similar to the other of the same par.
Hence, if the disease was to be the same, the remedy should have been the same as well. The Messiah had to return to the world in the same humble style, not in person but in spirit and in character and this is exactly what has happened and has taken place. Such divine and revolutionary persons are always born as insignificant and humble human beings and live a life of humility. They spiritually revisit the earth in exactly the same style and are treated again with the same callousness, prejudice and fanatic hostility. They are never easily recognized, as the true representative of those who had promised their revisit.
What happened to Christ in his first appearance at the hands of the Jews was bound to happen to him again, but this time at the hands of the Muslims and the Christians who were expecting his return. The same distorted and unreal expectations regarding the way he was to revisit the earth; the same imaginary goals he was expected to pursue; the same unrealistic views of his performance and his achievements on earth as were displayed by the Jewish people of the time of Jesus Christ, were to be repeated by the Muslims during his second advent. And in this way history was to re-enact itself.
Looking back now, one is in a better position to understand the failure of the Jews to recognize their Messiah. We can easily understand their difficulty and draw lessons from their tragedy. Their literal understanding of the scriptures misled them. All this has already been discussed, but to emphasise this important issue, we once again refer to it. It always happens in the history of expected religious reformers that the people who await them most often than not fail to recognise them because the signs of their recognition are misread and misunderstood. Realities are mythyfied and metaphors are taken literally.
Almost the same story has been repeated at the time of the second advent of the Messiah, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. Like the case of the promised descent of Elijah from the heaven as was awaited by the Jews of Christ¡¦s time someone was again expected to bodily descend from heaven, this time the Messiah himself. It is almost like the Jewish priests of that time made things impossible for common people by making faith possible in the Messiah only through miracle and absurd claims that God needed to do so and so to make people join the fold of the believer. But miracles themselves are not impossible, it happens through faith only but not the other way around. Do you know of any such precedent in human history where God had done any such miracle to make rebellious believe in Him?
In the case of the Jews, they were expecting the Messiah to come in the state of glory. In the case of the Jews, they were expecting him to usher them into a new era of their domination and ascendancy over their Roman masters. All these expectations were shattered by Jesus of Nazareth. When he appeared at last, he appeared to be so far removed and distant from the expected image of the advent of Messiah which Jews had been dearly entertaining for centuries. Do you wonder how that came about?
Strikingly similar events have taken place in relation to the advent of Christ in the person of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. The role played by his opponents is the same, only the names differ. The main stream of the Muslims and the Christians alike have acquired the role of Jews of the time of Jesus. The objections are the same. The logic of rejection is the same. Yet God treated this humble man with even greater signs of His support than the Jesus of the previous age and helped him spread his message far more rapidly in far greater number of countries and in all the continents of the world. These are the facts which speak for themselves, but only for those who listen. These are the facts which are becoming more and more apparent with the passage of time, but only for those who care to observe.
Again, the spirit of the messianic message in the context of the contemporary attitudes of the Muslims and the Christians is no different. But only they will understand who do not shut their eyes to it.
In the end, let me present you, who are awaiting the re-appearance of Christ for the last so many centuries the following. It is the prophetic words of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, the divinely appointed Messiah of the latter days:
¡§Remember very well that no one shall ever come down from heaven. All our opponents who are alive today shall die and none from them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven; then their children that are left after them shall also die and none from among them shall ever see Jesus son of Mary coming down from heaven and then their third generation shall also die and they too shall not see the son of Mary coming down. Then God shall cause great consternation in their minds and they shall then say that even the age of the domination of the cross has passed away and the way of life has changed completely, yet the son of Mary has not come down. Then in dismay the wise among them shall forsake this belief and three centuries from now shall not have passed when those who await the coming of Jesus son of Mary, whether they be Muslims or Christians, shall relinquish altogether this conception.¡¨
So you may wait until a new generation is born and they will also wait until they have run their course and a new generation would take over. This state of waiting may continue till the end of the time, but no Jesus will bodily descend from heaven. However much those who crave him to return his personal visit would ever see their dream come true. They may even build a wailing wall for themselves as the Jews did more than three thousand years ago. And may they go on striking their heads against it. But as it happened in the case of the Jews so will it happen again. They will see no messiah descend despite their wailing and torment, generation after generation after generation. Their future expectations of Christ will achieve nothing but an emptiness and a void that will never end. An utterly bleak prospect indeed.
As for the Christians who really take Christ to be a literal son of God, I hope you will end that. This is the warning words from the Holy Quran, the divinely revealed book to the Holy Prophet of Islam. It lays out the purposes of his advent:

He came as a warner to those who attributed a son to God. They have no knowledge or evidence of what they believe nor did their forefathers have any. It is an enormity which is uttered by their mouths. They only make an unfounded false claim. They utter nothing but falsehood. (18:6¡V7). Now think for second, how beautifully this verse make sense with common sense. Isn't that the truth in reality?

Here is what Jesus (as) had to say about the whole thing as per his role and who he was.
1. "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29)
2. "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him. Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." (Matthew 19:16-17)
3. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)
It is apparent from these quotes that Jesus himself has solved the problem that God is one and he is only a Messenger of God like other of God's Messengers. According to the Holy Quran a Muslim is bound to believe in Jesus as a Prophet as he has to believe in all the Prophets of God. (The Quran 2:136)

After today I pray and hope that you will see the light and accept Islam. And you have every right not to do so. It is only you who will answer for your deeds. As for me I have done my duty to convey the message to you. How you will answer to the God (swt) on the Judgement day is all upto you. Fear nothing but God (swt). From that also comes the true salvation. Ameen.

May God be our guide,

Wassalam.