Why MAHDI & MESSIAH R THE SAME PERSON -METAPHORS, CONNOTATIONS IN THE QURAN

[MAC]

Originally posted by sydneyAhmed


There is only one Mahadi. And his name is Mirza Gulam Ahmand (as) of Quadian, India. It has been proven that he is in the line of descent from the Holy Prophet (saw).

I don't think so His name will be the same as that of (Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wasallam), i.e. Muhammad. In addition, his father's name will be Abdullah.

Originally posted by sydneyAhmed

But now you would have to answer this how is it possible that Holy Prophet (saw) who did not leave any male progeny behind yet the Mahadi was suppose to come from his progeny?

Imam Mahdi will belong to the tribe of Quraish and the family of Hazrat Fatima (radiyallahu anha), the offspring of Hazrat Imam Hasan (radiyallahu anhu).



Stop Distorting the truth.

Here is a Surah from the Quran and also from Sahih Bukhari where it states Mohammed (SAW) is the last of the prophets, and no other will come after him.

O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Apostle of God and the last in the line of Prophets. And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab: 40)


The Prophet (SAW) said, "The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?" He said, "Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship."

Sahih Bukhari 4:661; Narrated Abu Huraira


Prophet (SAW) said, "My similitude in comparison with the other prophets before me, is that of a man who has built a house nicely and beautifully, except for a place of one brick in a corner. The people go about it and wonder at its beauty, but say: 'Would that this brick be put in its place!' So I am that brick, and I am the last of the Apostles.

Sahih Bukhari 4:735


Prophet (SAW) said, "I am the seal of (all) the prophets, there is no prophet after me",

Imam Ahmad - volume 2, page 398 and 412, Muslim - number 2286 and 2287; Abu Dawud - number 4252


The Dictionary Meaning of the Word 'Khatam-al-Nabiyyin'
It is evident that the text can bear one meaning and it is that Khatam-al-Nabiyyin stands for the Finality of Prophethood with a clear implication that the prophethood has been culminated and finalised in Muhammad (PBUH). It is not only the context that supports this interpretation but also the lexicography.
According to Arabic lexicon and the linguistic usage Khatam means to affix seal; to close, to come to an end; and to carry something to its ultimate end.

Khatama al-'Amala is equivalent to 'Faragha min al-'Almali' which means 'to get over with the task.' 'Khatama al-Ina' bears the meaning 'The vessel has been closed and sealed so that nothing can go into it, nor can its contents spill out.'

'Khatam-al-kitab' conveys the meaning 'The letter has been enclosed and sealed so that it is finally secured.'
'Khatama-'Ala-al-Qalb' means 'The heart has been sealed so that it cannot perceive anything new nor can it forswear what it has already imbibed.'

'Khitamu-Kulli-Mashrubin' implies 'the final taste that is left in the mouth when the drink is over.'
Katimatu Kulli Shaiinn 'Aqibatuhu wa Akhiratuhu means "The end in the case of everything denotes its doom and ultimate finish." Khatm-ul-Shaii Balagha Akhirahu conveys the sense, "To end a thing means to carry it to its ultimate limit."

The term Khatam-i-Qur'an is used in the similar sense and the closing verses of Qur'anic Surahs are referred to as Khawatim. Khatim-ul-Qaum Akhirhuum means "The last man in the tribe." (Refer to Lisan-ul-'Arab; Qamus and Aqrab-ul- Muwarid).

For this reason all linguists and commentators agree that Khatam-ul-Nabiyyin means 'The Last in the line of Prophets.' The word Khatam in its dictionary meaning and linguistic usage does not refer to the post office stamp which is affixed on the outgoing mail. Its literal meaning is the 'seal' which is but on the envelope to secure its contents.


The Muslims are those who worship Allah alone and follow His messenger Muhammad(SAW) and believe that he is the seal of the prophets, and that there is no prophet after him.

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Now sydneyAhmed comes out of disguise. That's the problem with Qadianis. They start any topic as if they are Muslims, and give no indication whatsoever about who they are. Thus making fool of some unknowledgable Muslims.

so sydneyAhmed, you quoted one hadeeth about Mahdi and Isa being same. What if this hadeeth is proven to be weak? Do you have any other hadeeth?

[sydneyAhmed]

"For this reason all linguists and commentators agree that Khatam-ul-Nabiyyin means 'The Last in the line of Prophets.' The word Khatam in its dictionary meaning and linguistic usage does not refer to the post office stamp which is affixed on the outgoing mail. Its literal meaning is the 'seal' which is but on the envelope to secure its contents.


The Muslims are those who worship Allah alone and follow His messenger Muhammad(SAW) and believe that he is the seal of the prophets, and that there is no prophet after him".
Quote from the perosn who wrote the last anser.

First where has he found or where in the hadiths it is writen that one has to believe that to be Muslim one has to believe that (you wrote) " and believe that he is the seal of the prophets, and that there is no prophet after him".

Now of course any person not undestanding the limitless bounty of Allah for mankind and limiting His application of Justice for our well being would say something just like that. I hope you are not that type of person.

Isn't it enough that Holy Prophet (saw) should be the last law bearing prophet. There can never be and shall never be any new law bearing prophet coming after him. But why must you and others not understand the connotations and metaphors in the Qur'an and Hadiths. Must the Mullahs and their like minded followers distort continuously the reasonable and sound Hadiths to shut out the blessed door of nobuyaath. Just as you said when you seal the envelope that is not the end of wrting letter. Is it? I hope not. Just as when the Prophet used the example of Hadrat Ali (ra) as a Khatamul Oulia. But that wasn't the end of coming of more oulia after the death of Hadrat Ali (ra). Here the metaphor could be seen as that Ali was the last of that special kind of oulia.

Would you please ask a mullah how many other times the word Khatam has been used in the Qur'an and in ref. to what?

Dear friend, it is not I who is distorting or misunderstanding the meaning of the WORD. I have given plenty of actual explanation by the true believers of the by gone era. Thank God they have left behind unbending legacy of true understanding of Arabic. Far superior than you and me. So please read my thread again witout bending the facats and the real truth.

By the way The other name of the Holy Prophet was AHMAD - ck out it with a non biased mind.

And the name of Hadrat Mirza Gulam Ahmad (as)'s father was Mirza "Gualm" Murtaza. Hope you know the metaphor of arabic enough to realize the meaning.

Love and peace, Brother

WaSSALAM.

[Hasan_Ali_Imam]

Br. Sydney

Assalamu Alaikum,

There are a few issues that do need to be cleared regarding the closure of prophethood and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. I would be grateful for br. Sydney to comment on these for me so that I may understand your position better

1. If Muhammad (S) was the last non-Law bearing prophet, then are you implying that prophethood continues until Judegement day?

2. I have read Ahmadiyya literature on the prophecy of Ghulam Ahmad in hadith. Do Qadianis believe that Ghulam Ahmad is the only prophet explicitly prophesised in hadith? Does the hadith give detailed descriptions of prophets after Ghulam Ahmad, as it apparently does with regards to Ghulam Ahmad?

3. I have heard that the Ahmadiyya is divided into 2 sects. The Lahoris, who believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a reformer and not a prophet. And the Qadianis, who believe that Ghulam Ahmad was a prophet (without laws). Please confirm that this is true, I have not been able to confirm this. If this is true, then what are the arguments laid out by the 2 respective groups and what made you decide to choose the Qadiani route? This will at least give me an understanding of your thoughts and how you decide on the truth

4. How does one distinguish a prophet from a reformer according to your understanding? And how do you distinguish between those who are real prophets, and those who make false claims, e.g. Bahaullah claimed to be the Mahdi, Elijah Muhammad claimed to be a prophet, Rashid Khalifa claimed to be a prophet by using the Quran and mathematics.

Wassalam
Hasan

[Edited by Hasan_Ali_Imam on 28th March 2004 at 23:43]

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Sydney, you know that Mirza called himself a buroozi nabi and a zilli nabi. Could you show me these terms in Quran or Hadith?

And Sydney, you also know very well that these are the basic concepts on which Mirza raised his building of Prophet Muhammad's image?