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Old 15th February 2004, 21:56
Mamun-Chowdhury Mamun-Chowdhury is offline
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Brother Darwin's theory has got it's acceptance worldwide. But, modern scientists have proved : there is no trace to worry about that there was no tail which is thought to be abolished. I mean that there is no proof whether any tail was abolished from the end of human back bone.

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Old 16th February 2004, 05:05
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Not only that, there are some other controversies in the theory of evolution. Most shocking one being the embryological data provided to Darwin by Ernst Haeckel. They are now claimed to be 'faked' by Haeckel so that Darwin's big theory gets published and acknowledged getting him some credits as well. But this doesn't necessarily prove that the theory is wrong. To understand why not, you have to know how a theory works and what it does. First of all, science is not a book of laws (even though it seems so). Science itself evolves with time. Theories always predict something and as long as the predictions are true, the theory remains unquestionable. That’s how a theory is usually proved by showing its predictions becoming true. But if the predictions become false in an event, the theory is severely questioned and gets modified so that there remain no exceptional cases. In case, the modifications don’t work the theory is called ‘disproved’ and a new theory is proposed. There is rarely some other way to disprove a theory. While some theories remain ‘unchanged’ and make the ‘false prediction’ an exceptional case. Now, theory of evolution also predicts, and that’s simple- ‘life evolves’. No matter how many controversial or fake evidences you read about, so far it’s a scientific understanding that life does evolve. So the theory of evolution remains ‘intact’ regardless of serious controversies surrounding it.
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Old 16th February 2004, 05:49
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Brother Shaz,
I was really happy to have known your wisdom.

But, you made a confusion yourself. You didn't notice. We

can't disapprove any perdiction untill and unless it's

proved. But, we can't say any way that, that

theory is right as well untill and unless it's recognized.

And, it means- perdiction isn't all in all. Even scientists

say water does make many creatures. But, it doesn't

necessarily prove that the cronological way of theory of

evolution could make human existence. On the other hand, if

there was no such tail attached to human back bone, how

human beings once upon a time were monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 16th February 2004, 07:53
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Brother Mamun, thank you. You are very kind. But you too failed to get it: predictions can not possibly be disproved, it either becomes true or false. That’s all there is. Newton’s law of gravitation predicted things like the orbit of planets, stars, how an object falls down towards the earth, etc. but was eventually taken over by Einstein’s General Relativity, do you know why? Because the prediction, Newton’s gravitation, made of Mercury’s orbit, contrasted with the real thing when observed, means it wasn’t true. Not only that, it had predicted other stuff, which became false later when observed. So questions arose and finally Einstein came up with the solution and modified Newton’s gravitation, which then predicted and explained Mercury’s orbit perfectly and also other incompatibilities between the theory and predictions were removed. This is one of the major ways a theory is rejected or modified by seeing if the predictions are true. But there are exceptions, I won’t deny though very rare ones. Now the ‘Theory of Evolution’ doesn’t have a concrete proof- true but it does have supporting facts, which is enough to reach the conclusion that life, indeed, evolves. And another thing, I didn’t notice before; I should have. You got it all wrong. Evolution doesn’t say we evolved from Monkeys, it says we evolved from Apes and Apes doesn’t have tails, remember? They are two distinct species. It’s a wrong association mistakenly made by laypersons. I forgot to mention such a huge error in interpretation. Totally my fault. Sorry.

Oh another thing I forgot to tell you. Evolution doesn’t necessarily say we came from Apes. What it basically says is that we humans and apes had a common ancestor, that’s all. There's a big difference. Don’t make any room for confusions. However, I wouldn't ask you to believe in it bcuz there is nothing to believe in. I already argued somewhere in b.com, that, questions like "Do you believe in Evolution?" are not legitimate, it has the same aspects as questions like "Do you still beat your wife?" or, "Are you still picking pockets?" There is no room for an ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ answer bcuz the question is not legal. Life evolves, why would you deny it? Haven't you been ever vaccinated? The concept is somhow similar (in a way) if you understand vaccination. Take Care. Bye.
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Old 16th February 2004, 19:07
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Shaz,
assalamu alaikum. I was more than glad to have been w/ your wise analytic descriptions. There's no argument if things are right. It's you who even said not to go that far to trust things upon controversy. That's really wise and gentleman like. Very few people want to admit the truth. May Allah bless you, brother.

I just would like to add to your further understanding that a gradual survey is: apes really had a tail that is thought to be abolished.

Allah Hafez
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Old 16th February 2004, 23:30
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Wink we all have a tail sometime

Actually we all have a tail as an embryo (intrauterine). That is unequivacal. We also all have gills during cleavage. The natural solution contained within all mammalian cells is .9% saline (salt water as found in the ocean). 99% of our DNA is the same as chimpanzees.
We have many links with all of life that surrounds us. Whether those links "evolved" as Darwin theorized is not totally clear. And we are always finding fossilized remains that fit unexpectedly in our ancestral tree.
The Qur'an tells us to respect all life. We don't know all the answers yet--that's for sure, but we can't prove it.
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Old 16th February 2004, 23:51
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Jodyraye, brother,
How're you? Having possessed vast knowledge you just tried to discuss how it is. Interesting enough, civilizations after civilizations people kept telling the same as you did. It verily seems that people wolud tell the same even on the previous day just before the Final Day.

Regrets !

I was trying to focus on a serious chapter. And, unknowingly you made the fact lighter than you thought to be. But, err is human, the old saying goes.

I really liked your analysis. May Allah bless us all to realize the truth and follow thereby.

Best of luck.
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