NO OUTRIGHT CODEMNATION OF ANY POLITICAL SYSTEM, (ISLALM, DEMOCRACY OR WHAT )

[coolthinking1]

IS IT WISE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS – AND JUST GO ABOUT ACCUSING, TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT, HURTING FEELINGS OF OTHERS OUT OF SHEER STUPIDITY, BE THEY OF CHRISTIAN, JEWISH, HINDU, BUDDIST OR ANY OTHER FAITH? THE FUNNY THING IS YOU ALL KNOW THE ANSWER AND MOST OF YOU IN THIS FORUM LIVE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY YET SHOW SUCH ABHORANT REVILE ATTITUDE IN YOUR LANGUAGE TOWARDS EACH OTHER AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FAITH IS ACTUALLY DUMB FOUNDING! HERE I THOUGHT JERRY FALLWEL WAS THE GRAVE AND IMMINENT DANGER TO THE WORLD AT LARGE. I ALSO THOUGHT PAT ROBERTSON AND HIS PSEUDO RELIGIOOUS TV STATIONS AND HIS DESIRE TO BE THE ARCHETECT OF US FOREGHN POLICY (TOWARD THE MUSLIMS) WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE VICTORY FOR CHRISTIANDOM AND ITS LUNATIC FRINGES. BUT THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THEM.

HERE YOU GUYS FIGHT ABOUT ISSUES WITH VERY LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR OWN FAITH – THEN SOME OF YOU DARE TO ATTACK OHTERS FAITH IN A MOST VILE MANNER – (THAT GOES FOR THE MUSLIMS TOO), I CAN’T HELP BUT WONDER HOW IS IT THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE NOT INSTALLED FEW OF THE BASIC WESTREN VALUES IN YOUR MANNER, SUCH AS DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE, OPEN MINDEDNESS, TOLARENCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND SPECIALLY NEVER TO INSULT ANOTRHER MANS FAITH. MIND YOU, THESE VALUES ARE ALSO UNIVERSAL FROM ISLAMINC POINT OF VIEW. WHAT WOULD YOU TELL GOD ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT WHEN GOD ASKS (YOU) THE MUSLIM; DID YOU NOT NOTICE THAT WHEN YOU WERE BUSY INSULTING OTHER gods AND THEIR FAITHS – IN TURN THEY WERE HURLING INSULTS TOWARD ME AND THE MOST BELOVED OF MY SERVANTS, MOHAMMAD (PBUH)? O MUSLIMS, WHEN ONE INSULTS YOUR FAITH AND YOU – DO LIKE THE PROPHET (PBUH) DID. HE (PBUH) HAS SET EXAMPLES AFTER EXAMPLE ON THIS IN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MANNER AND ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE, ONE CAN IMAGINE. OTHER THAN THE SIA SITTA THERE ARE ACTUAL JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN HISTORICAL WRITINGS THAT VERIFY WHAT I AM SAYING. LOOK IT UP IN IS HIS (PBUH) BIO BY THE SAME. SO MUSLIMS SHOULD NEITHER INSULT NOR ENGAGE IN DEMOGING OTHER FAITHS. ONLY USE GOOD ARGUMENTS AND GOOD EXHORTATIONS. PROPHET (PBUH) AND ALLAH AND COMMAN SENSE REQUIRES YOU TO DO THAT. AND REMEMBER ISLAM HOLDS NO MONOPOLY ON TRUTH NOR SHOULD ONE MONOPOLIZE OR CLAIM TRUTH IS ONLY ON THEIR SIDE. THIS IS PART OF THE LEARNING PROCESS OF TOLARANCE.

NOW THE ISLAM OR DEMOCRACY! I WILL BE BRIEF. I BEGIN WITH THE FACT THAT NO POLITICAL SYSTEM IS MENTIONED IN ISLAM AS THE ONLY VALID SYSTEM AS AGAINST ALL OTHERS. THERE IS NO DOUBT THE HOLY QURAN SPEAKS OF DEMORATIC SYSTEM WHERE THE RULERS CAN BE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY SYSTEM RECOMMANDED BY ISLAM. GOD THE KNOWER OF ALL THINGS, CHOSE ISLAM AS UNIVRESAL RELIGION AND WISELY HE DID NOT SEE IT TO BE THE PREROGATIVE OF THIS UNIVERAL RELIGION TO CHOOSE A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT WITHOUT DUE REGARD TO THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE FOR A SINGEL SYSTEM TO BE APPLICABLE TO ALL REGIONS AND SOCIETES OF THE WORLD. AND PLEASE SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE SHARIAH. FOR ONE TO REALIZE THAT 73 SECTS WOULD CERTAINLY INTERPRET 73 VERSIONS OF THE SHARIAH AND WHICH ONE WOULD YOU HAVE THE MULLAHS IMPLEMENT? THAT IS ANOTHER SUBJECT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH JURISPRUDENCE.

BEFORE I JUMP TO WHICH POLITCAL SYSTEM IS GOOD OR BAD FOR MEN – LET US SEE FIRST WHETER IT IS THE FAILURE OF POLITICAL SYSTEMS AND THEIR INHERENT DEFECTS WHICH ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUFFERINGS OF MEN OR IS IT THOSE WHO RUN IT? CAN IMMORAL SELFISH, GREEDY OR CORRUPT POLITICAL LEADERSHIP WHICH RISES TO POWER BY DEMOCRATIC MEANS BE REALLY GOOD AND BENEFICIAL FOR SOCIETY AS AGAINST THE BENIGN DICTATORS? SO FAR WE IN THE MIGHTY WEST HAVE FAILED IN THAT REGARD, WITH ALL OUR POWER WE COULD NOT ESTABLISH NOR CAN WE GURANTEE EVEN A ONE DAY PEACE IN MIDEAST CRISIS. DO YOU WONDER WHY? BIGOTTED MINDS WOULD THINK IT IS THE FAULT OF MUSLIMS. YOU SEE HERE ISLAM GAVE ADVICE AND A GURANTEE FOR PEACE. IN QURAN ISLAM LAYS EXTRAORDINARY STRESS ON INTRODUCING ABSOLUTE MORALITY TO ALL SPHERE OF HUMAN ACITIVITY – POLITICS BEING NO EXCEPTION. YET LOOK AROUND AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE FACT IS WEST IS STILL THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE AND PROVIDES ALL THE FRUITS ISLAM HAS PROMISED AND MORE. NOW IMAGINE THIS IF IT WERE APPLYING ABSOLUTE MORALITY TO ALL SPHERE OF HUMAN ACTIVITY AND NONE OF THE PORK BARREL POLITICS – WHERE WOULD WEST GO IN TERMS OF ADVNCEMENT IS BEYOND CONCEPTION. O YES, THIS NOT A WISHFUL THINKING INDEED WEST WOULD HAVE GONE FAR, FAR AHEAD OF OTHERS.

“VERILY, GOD COMMANDS YOU TO GIVE OVER THE TRUSTS TO THOSE ENTITLED TO THEM, AND THAT WHEN YOU JUDGE BETWEEN MEN, YOU JUDGE WITH JUSTICE. AND SURELY EXCELLENT IS WHAT ALLAH ADMONISHES YOU WITH! ALLAH IS ALL-HEARING, ALL-SEEING” (4:58). PONDER ON THIS VERSE – SO THAT YOU MAY GRASP THE IMMENSE POWER OF IT.

NOW THOSE WHO HAVE THE DEPTH WOULD SEE THAT DEMOCRACY HAS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH EVEN IN THE MOST ADVANCED NATIONS OF THE WORLD TO REACH THE STAGE OF POLITY WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE POLITICAL VISION OF DEMOCRACY. ADD TO THAT NOW THE CORRUPTION FACTOR. SO TO SAY THAT WESTERN DEMOCRACY WOULD SUCCEED IN AFRICA, ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA OR IN SO CALLED ISLAMIC COUNTRIES IS JUST A HOLLOW AND UNREALISTIC CLAIM.

THOSE WHO ARE BLIND FOLLOWERS OF ANY FAITH – DOES NOT CONFORM TO REASON AND RATIONALITY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH ME. SPECIALLY THE MUSLIM MULLAHS. BUT THEIR REASON IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEY FOLLOW BLINDLY ISLAM IT IS RATHER BECAUSE THEIR’S ONLY FAITH IS THEIR EGO AND WORSHIP OF EGO.

ISLAMIC TEACHINGS DO NOT REJECT ANY POLITICAL SYSTEM OF THE WORLD. IT LEAVES IT TO THE CHOICE OF THE PEOPLE OR ESTABLISHED TRADITION LEFT IN THAT COUNTRY. THE QUESTION NOW YOU HAVE IS WHERE IS THE PROOF? CERTAINLY I WOULD NOT GIVE STATEMENT WITHOUT BACKING IT UP. MONARCHY IS MENTIONED REAPETEDLY IN THE HOLY QURAN WITHOUT BEING CONDEMNED AS AN INSTITUTION. A PROPHET OF ISRAEL REMINDS THE ISRALELITES OF TALUT: “ THEIR PROPHET SAID TO THEM: ALLAH HAS APPOINTED FOR YOU TALUT AS A KING. THEY DEMUREED SAID, SAYING: HOW CAN HE HAVE SOVEREIGNTY OVER US WHILE WE ARE BETTER ENTITLED TO SOVEREIGNTY THAN HE, AND HE HAS NOT EVEN BEEN GRANTED ABUNDENACE OF WEALTH? HE ANSWERED; SURELY ALLAH HAS GRANTED HIM SUPERIORITY OVER YOU AND HAS GIVEN HIM A LARGE PORTION OF KNOWLEDGE AND STRENGTH. AND ALLAH BESTOWS SOVEREIGNITY UPON WHOM HE PLEASES. ALLAH IS LORD OF VAST BOUNTY, ALL-KNOWING. (2:247). MONARCHY IS ALSO MENTIONED IN THE BROADER SENSE OF THE PEOPLE BEING THE MONARCH THEMSELVES. “CALL TO MIND WHEN MOSES SAID TO HIS PEOPLE: O MY PEOPLE, RECALL THE FAVOUR THAT ALLAH BESTOWED UPON YOU WHEN HE APPOINTED PROPHETS AMONG YOU AND MADE YOU KINGS, AND GAVE YOU THAT WHICH HE HAD NOT GIVEN TO ANY OTHER OF THE PEOPLES.(5:20). ALSO IN ISLAM EXPANSION BY CONQUEST WAS NEVER SEEN AS A GOOD THING (EVEN THOUGH MANY A MUSLIM LEADERS OF AGES AGO ARE GUILTY OF THAT), AS WE FIND IN THE VERSE ABOUT THE QUEEN OF SHEEBA ADVISING HER COUNSEL. “SHE SAID: SURELY WHEN MIGHTY KINGS INVADE A COUNTRY, THEY DESPOIL IT AND HUMILIATE ITS LEADING PEOPLE. AND THAT HAS BEEN THEIR WAY (27:35). KINGS CAN BE GOOD OR BAD JUST AS ELECTED PRIME MINISTERS OR PRESIDENTS. DID YOU KNOW THAT HOLY QURAN MENTIONS A CATEGORY OF KINGS WHO WERE APPOINTED BY GOD. SUCH AS KING SOLOMAN (AS), WHO WAS NOT ONLY A KING BUT WAS ALSO A PROPHET. THIS SHOWS THAT SOMETIME THE OFFICE OF PROPHETHOOD AND SOVEREIGNTY MAY COMBINE – BUT ONLY WITH THE COMMISION FROM GOD. ANOTHER TYPE OF SOVEREIGNTY COMES THROUGH THE AUTHORITY OF THE PROPHETS. THE FOLLOWING VERSE SHOWS THAT: “ O YE WHO BELIEVE, OBEY ALLAH AND OBEY HIS MESSENGER AND THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORTY AMONG YOU. THEN IF YOU DIFFER IN ANYTHING AMONG YOURSELVS, REFER IT TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER IF YOU ARE BELIEVERS IN ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER AND LAST DAY. THAT IS THE BEST AND MOST COMMANDABLE IN THE END. (4:59).

SPECIALLY FOR THE MUSLIMS OF THE WEST PAY ATTENTION TO THE LINE “THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY AMONG YOU” ; IT ALSO MEANS OBEY THE LAW OF THE LAND. SPECIALLY THE FOOD ON YOUR TABLE, IF IT COMES FROM THE LAND WHERE YOU RESIDE THEN YOU MUST OBEY THE LAW OF THAT LAND BE IT CHRISTIAN OR HINDU OR BE WHATEVER IT MAY. I SAY THAT BECAUSE ALLAH WANT YOU TO LIVE BY JUSTICE FOR YOUR SOULS WELL BEING. SO IF YOU DO NOT LIKE YOUR GOVT. IT IS BEST YOU LEAVE THAT COUNTRY THAN TO CREATE DISORDER THERE IN. NOW LET ME POINT OUT THE IHERENT WEAKNESS IN THE DEMOCRATIC FORM OF ELECTION. IT IS THIS, WHEN THE MASSES MAKE THE CHOICE ON SUPERFICIAL IMPRESSION AND LATEST ASSESMENT OF THE POLL AND ARE INCAPABLE OF JUDGING FOR THEMSELVES THE SOUND QUALITES OF LEADERSHIP WHO WOULD SERVE THEM THE BEST, THEN IT IS ONLY A FUTILE ATTEMPT IN DEMOCRACY IN THE TRUEST SENSE. NOW ADD THE FACT THAT USUALLY THE VOTES ARE LEFT WITH BAD AND WORSE CANDIDATE TO PICK – DOES THAT NOT TAKE IT AWAY FORM ITS TRUE STATED GOAL OF “BY THE PEOPLE”. TO GET BACK TO THE EARLIER POINT, DO NOT TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT BY ASSUMING THAT ALL MONARCH OR KINGS ARE DIVINELY CHOSEN BY GOD FROM MY STATEMENTS. THIS MISCONCEPTION WHICH HAS BEEN COMMON IN CHRISTIAN SYSTEM IS NOT SHARED BY THE HOLY QURAN.

WELL I FORGOT TELL YOU ABOUT THE ISLAMIC DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY. ACCORDIING TO HOLY QURAN PEOPLE HAVE THE FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE ANY SYSTEM OF THE GOVERNMENT WHICH SUITES THEM. ANY SYSTEM ARE VALID PROVIDED THEY ARE ACCEPTED BY THE PEOPLE. HOWEVER IT SEEMS THAT DEMOCRACY AS I SAID BEFORE IS PREFRRED AND HIGHLY COMMENDED IN THE HOLY QURAN. THE MUSLIMS ARE ADVISED TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM THOUGH NOT EXACTLY ON THE PATTERN OF WESTERN STYLE OF DEMOCRACY. NO ISLAM DOES NOT PROVIDE WITH HOLLOW DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY FOR GOOD SOUND BITE. ABE LINCOLNS DEFINITION IS GOOD, FOR THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AS A SYSTEM, ONLY IF IT IS IMPLEMENTABLE IN A MATERIALISTIC SOCIETY. BUT ONE CAN EASILY CONCLUDE THAT WITH RISING OF CAPITALISM, TRULY DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS CAN NOT BE HELD ANYWHRE. AS THE SYSTEM DEFINED BY ABE LINCOLN FOR THE PEOPLE IS NOT REALY SAFE EVEN IN THE MOST DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. I BELIVE THAT IS WHY ISLAM DEALS WITH THE PRINCIPLE OF IT AND LEAVES THE REST TO THE PEOPLE. SO YOU CAN SAY ACCORDING TO ISLAM TO FORM A GOVERNMENT IT CAN BE SAID “FOLLOW AND BENEFIT, (INJUNCTIONS GIVEN) OR STRAY AND BE DESTROYED”. ANYWAY THE TWO PILLARS OF ISLAMIC CONCEPT OF DEMOCRACY IS THIS : 1. DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF ELECTION MUST BE BASED ON TRUST AND INTEGRITY. 2. GOVERNMENTS MUST FUNCTION ON THE PRINCIPLE OF ABSOLUTE JUSTICE. NOW YOU CAN ELABORATE THIS TO YOUR HEARTS LEVEL BEST, OR AS MUCH YOU HAVE DEVELOPED. AS YOU CAN TELL ONE CAN GIVE MORE EXAMPLES. I AM SURE THERE ARE PLENTY MORE WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEBLE, AND WRITE BETTER. I PREFER TO WRITE IN A LOWER GRADE FOR COMMON FOLKS TO GRASP.

NOW, I ACCEPT ANY CHALLENGE ON ANY ISSUE, MY VIEWPOINTS WOULD BE FROM QURAN OR HADITH. BE IT ON SCIENCE, PARA NORMAL, GUIDENCE OR INJUNCTIONS. ONE CAN BRING IT ON, SO LONG AS ONE WISHES TO UNDERSTAND, DESIRES NOT TO BE PETTY AND KEEPS AN OPEN MIND THROUGHOUT. SPECIALLY THOSE WHO LIKES TO FIND FAULT AND RIDICULE THE BEST OF MAN, PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH) ABOUT HIS CONDUCT AND HIS MINISTRY. I DARE TO SAY HOW LITTLE INDEED IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CONTEMPORARIES OF THE TIME OF THE PROPHET (PBUH). USE COMMON SENSE ABOUT THE TIME AND HOW CUSTOMS WERE THEN, AND YOU WOULD EASILY SEE THE EXTREME OF DIPLOMACY AND KINDNESS HE USED WITH JEWS AND PAGANS AND ABSOLUTE JUSTICE THE TRUE PIRNCE OF PEACE (BIBLE CALLED HIM THAT) ESTABLISHED DURING HIS LIFE TIME. SO PLEASE READ THE INFORMATION ON ISLAM FROM THE SOURCE THAT IS ISLAMIC. WOULD A JEW OR A CHRISTIAN OR A HINDU TAKE LESSON OR LIKE TO LEARN OR HEAR THE OPINION OF A MUSLIM SCHOLAR ON THEIR RESPECTIVE FAITHS? I THINK NOT. SO THEN WHY SOME OF YOU CHOOSE TO DO JUST THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM, WHEN YOU YOURSELF WOULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN TO YOU OR YOUR FAITH? THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR TODAY. I WILL GET TO CREATION AND EVOLUTON SOON AND THAT WOULD SET THINGS IN MOTION FOR YOU TO SEE THE WONDAROUS CREATIVE GENIOUS OF GOD. MAY GOD BE OUR GUIDE.

[desi-soul]

coolthinker,
plz refrain from using all caps...it toooooo difficult to read.
thx

[Amar-Sonar-Bangla]

Originally posted by coolthinking1



NOT EXACTLY ON THE PATTERN OF WESTERN STYLE OF DEMOCRACY. NO ISLAM DOES NOT PROVIDE WITH HOLLOW DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY FOR GOOD SOUND BITE. ABE LINCOLNS DEFINITION IS GOOD, FOR THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AS A SYSTEM, ONLY IF IT IS IMPLEMENTABLE IN A MATERIALISTIC SOCIETY.

Throughout the Muslim world, materialism is ascendant. The Turkish experience with secular government has proven that an Islamic society may be successfully governed according to Western principles.

[amu]

I agree it is really difficult to read - perhaps cool could edit it and auto change it into normal text in word or something.

Is turkey a good example of an islamic society - i dont know anything about the country other than it falls into that category.

Does an islamic society need to be run along sharia laws to be considered islamic or can their best effort to follow the general guidelines of islam be enough to be considered islamic.


WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE VICTORY FOR CHRISTIANDOM AND ITS LUNATIC FRINGES

There is no ultimate victory for christians, jews, hindus or muslims - they will all continue to live besides one another since its based on faith - which people desire.

YET LOOK AROUND AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE FACT IS WEST IS STILL THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE AND PROVIDES ALL THE FRUITS ISLAM HAS PROMISED AND MORE

The west is providing it now, the ottoman empire provided it before, the romans, persians, egytians. Each area has had its glory days and they may very well have it again.

Its the ebb and flow of civilisations.

[samtel]

Originally posted by amu
The west is providing it now, the ottoman empire provided it before, the romans, persians, egytians. Each area has had its glory days and they may very well have it again.

Its the ebb and flow of civilisations.

I do not know about Ottoman empire, only the Kurds in Iraq can tell. But one thing I know is India was a great country ruled by Hindus and Buddhists which was destroyed by Muslims

[desi-soul]

Originally posted by samtel


I do not know about Ottoman empire, only the Kurds in Iraq can tell. But one thing I know is India was a great country ruled by Hindus and Buddhists which was destroyed by Muslims

Moughals ruled for 800 yrs..only on life support of rajputs...who were more than eager to serve them as generals and foot soldiers against their own ppl...
And ditto for british raj...

[Bang_Ali]

Originally posted by coolthinking1
IS IT WISE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS – AND JUST GO ABOUT ACCUSING, TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT, HURTING FEELINGS OF OTHERS OUT OF SHEER STUPIDITY, BE THEY OF CHRISTIAN, JEWISH, HINDU, BUDDIST OR ANY OTHER FAITH? THE FUNNY THING IS YOU ALL KNOW THE ANSWER AND MOST OF YOU IN THIS FORUM LIVE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY YET SHOW SUCH ABHORANT REVILE ATTITUDE IN YOUR LANGUAGE TOWARDS EACH OTHER AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FAITH IS ACTUALLY DUMB FOUNDING! HERE I THOUGHT JERRY FALLWEL WAS THE GRAVE AND IMMINENT DANGER TO THE WORLD AT LARGE. I ALSO THOUGHT PAT ROBERTSON AND HIS PSEUDO RELIGIOOUS TV STATIONS AND HIS DESIRE TO BE THE ARCHETECT OF US FOREGHN POLICY (TOWARD THE MUSLIMS) WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE VICTORY FOR CHRISTIANDOM AND ITS LUNATIC FRINGES. BUT THE TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THEM.

HERE YOU GUYS FIGHT ABOUT ISSUES WITH VERY LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR OWN FAITH – THEN SOME OF YOU DARE TO ATTACK OHTERS FAITH IN A MOST VILE MANNER – (THAT GOES FOR THE MUSLIMS TOO), I CAN’T HELP BUT WONDER HOW IS IT THAT SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE NOT INSTALLED FEW OF THE BASIC WESTREN VALUES IN YOUR MANNER, SUCH AS DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE, OPEN MINDEDNESS, TOLARENCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND SPECIALLY NEVER TO INSULT ANOTRHER MANS FAITH. MIND YOU, THESE VALUES ARE ALSO UNIVERSAL FROM ISLAMINC POINT OF VIEW. WHAT WOULD YOU TELL GOD ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT WHEN GOD ASKS (YOU) THE MUSLIM; DID YOU NOT NOTICE THAT WHEN YOU WERE BUSY INSULTING OTHER gods AND THEIR FAITHS – IN TURN THEY WERE HURLING INSULTS TOWARD ME AND THE MOST BELOVED OF MY SERVANTS, MOHAMMAD (PBUH)? O MUSLIMS, WHEN ONE INSULTS YOUR FAITH AND YOU – DO LIKE THE PROPHET (PBUH) DID. HE (PBUH) HAS SET EXAMPLES AFTER EXAMPLE ON THIS IN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MANNER AND ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE, ONE CAN IMAGINE. OTHER THAN THE SIA SITTA THERE ARE ACTUAL JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN HISTORICAL WRITINGS THAT VERIFY WHAT I AM SAYING. LOOK IT UP IN IS HIS (PBUH) BIO BY THE SAME. SO MUSLIMS SHOULD NEITHER INSULT NOR ENGAGE IN DEMOGING OTHER FAITHS. ONLY USE GOOD ARGUMENTS AND GOOD EXHORTATIONS. PROPHET (PBUH) AND ALLAH AND COMMAN SENSE REQUIRES YOU TO DO THAT. AND REMEMBER ISLAM HOLDS NO MONOPOLY ON TRUTH NOR SHOULD ONE MONOPOLIZE OR CLAIM TRUTH IS ONLY ON THEIR SIDE. THIS IS PART OF THE LEARNING PROCESS OF TOLARANCE.

NOW THE ISLAM OR DEMOCRACY! I WILL BE BRIEF. I BEGIN WITH THE FACT THAT NO POLITICAL SYSTEM IS MENTIONED IN ISLAM AS THE ONLY VALID SYSTEM AS AGAINST ALL OTHERS. THERE IS NO DOUBT THE HOLY QURAN SPEAKS OF DEMORATIC SYSTEM WHERE THE RULERS CAN BE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY SYSTEM RECOMMANDED BY ISLAM. GOD THE KNOWER OF ALL THINGS, CHOSE ISLAM AS UNIVRESAL RELIGION AND WISELY HE DID NOT SEE IT TO BE THE PREROGATIVE OF THIS UNIVERAL RELIGION TO CHOOSE A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT WITHOUT DUE REGARD TO THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE FOR A SINGEL SYSTEM TO BE APPLICABLE TO ALL REGIONS AND SOCIETES OF THE WORLD. AND PLEASE SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE SHARIAH. FOR ONE TO REALIZE THAT 73 SECTS WOULD CERTAINLY INTERPRET 73 VERSIONS OF THE SHARIAH AND WHICH ONE WOULD YOU HAVE THE MULLAHS IMPLEMENT? THAT IS ANOTHER SUBJECT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH JURISPRUDENCE.

BEFORE I JUMP TO WHICH POLITCAL SYSTEM IS GOOD OR BAD FOR MEN – LET US SEE FIRST WHETER IT IS THE FAILURE OF POLITICAL SYSTEMS AND THEIR INHERENT DEFECTS WHICH ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUFFERINGS OF MEN OR IS IT THOSE WHO RUN IT? CAN IMMORAL SELFISH, GREEDY OR CORRUPT POLITICAL LEADERSHIP WHICH RISES TO POWER BY DEMOCRATIC MEANS BE REALLY GOOD AND BENEFICIAL FOR SOCIETY AS AGAINST THE BENIGN DICTATORS? SO FAR WE IN THE MIGHTY WEST HAVE FAILED IN THAT REGARD, WITH ALL OUR POWER WE COULD NOT ESTABLISH NOR CAN WE GURANTEE EVEN A ONE DAY PEACE IN MIDEAST CRISIS. DO YOU WONDER WHY? BIGOTTED MINDS WOULD THINK IT IS THE FAULT OF MUSLIMS. YOU SEE HERE ISLAM GAVE ADVICE AND A GURANTEE FOR PEACE. IN QURAN ISLAM LAYS EXTRAORDINARY STRESS ON INTRODUCING ABSOLUTE MORALITY TO ALL SPHERE OF HUMAN ACITIVITY – POLITICS BEING NO EXCEPTION. YET LOOK AROUND AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE FACT IS WEST IS STILL THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE AND PROVIDES ALL THE FRUITS ISLAM HAS PROMISED AND MORE. NOW IMAGINE THIS IF IT WERE APPLYING ABSOLUTE MORALITY TO ALL SPHERE OF HUMAN ACTIVITY AND NONE OF THE PORK BARREL POLITICS – WHERE WOULD WEST GO IN TERMS OF ADVNCEMENT IS BEYOND CONCEPTION. O YES, THIS NOT A WISHFUL THINKING INDEED WEST WOULD HAVE GONE FAR, FAR AHEAD OF OTHERS.

“VERILY, GOD COMMANDS YOU TO GIVE OVER THE TRUSTS TO THOSE ENTITLED TO THEM, AND THAT WHEN YOU JUDGE BETWEEN MEN, YOU JUDGE WITH JUSTICE. AND SURELY EXCELLENT IS WHAT ALLAH ADMONISHES YOU WITH! ALLAH IS ALL-HEARING, ALL-SEEING” (4:58). PONDER ON THIS VERSE – SO THAT YOU MAY GRASP THE IMMENSE POWER OF IT.

NOW THOSE WHO HAVE THE DEPTH WOULD SEE THAT DEMOCRACY HAS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH EVEN IN THE MOST ADVANCED NATIONS OF THE WORLD TO REACH THE STAGE OF POLITY WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE POLITICAL VISION OF DEMOCRACY. ADD TO THAT NOW THE CORRUPTION FACTOR. SO TO SAY THAT WESTERN DEMOCRACY WOULD SUCCEED IN AFRICA, ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA OR IN SO CALLED ISLAMIC COUNTRIES IS JUST A HOLLOW AND UNREALISTIC CLAIM.

THOSE WHO ARE BLIND FOLLOWERS OF ANY FAITH – DOES NOT CONFORM TO REASON AND RATIONALITY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH ME. SPECIALLY THE MUSLIM MULLAHS. BUT THEIR REASON IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEY FOLLOW BLINDLY ISLAM IT IS RATHER BECAUSE THEIR’S ONLY FAITH IS THEIR EGO AND WORSHIP OF EGO.

ISLAMIC TEACHINGS DO NOT REJECT ANY POLITICAL SYSTEM OF THE WORLD. IT LEAVES IT TO THE CHOICE OF THE PEOPLE OR ESTABLISHED TRADITION LEFT IN THAT COUNTRY. THE QUESTION NOW YOU HAVE IS WHERE IS THE PROOF? CERTAINLY I WOULD NOT GIVE STATEMENT WITHOUT BACKING IT UP. MONARCHY IS MENTIONED REAPETEDLY IN THE HOLY QURAN WITHOUT BEING CONDEMNED AS AN INSTITUTION. A PROPHET OF ISRAEL REMINDS THE ISRALELITES OF TALUT: “ THEIR PROPHET SAID TO THEM: ALLAH HAS APPOINTED FOR YOU TALUT AS A KING. THEY DEMUREED SAID, SAYING: HOW CAN HE HAVE SOVEREIGNTY OVER US WHILE WE ARE BETTER ENTITLED TO SOVEREIGNTY THAN HE, AND HE HAS NOT EVEN BEEN GRANTED ABUNDENACE OF WEALTH? HE ANSWERED; SURELY ALLAH HAS GRANTED HIM SUPERIORITY OVER YOU AND HAS GIVEN HIM A LARGE PORTION OF KNOWLEDGE AND STRENGTH. AND ALLAH BESTOWS SOVEREIGNITY UPON WHOM HE PLEASES. ALLAH IS LORD OF VAST BOUNTY, ALL-KNOWING. (2:247). MONARCHY IS ALSO MENTIONED IN THE BROADER SENSE OF THE PEOPLE BEING THE MONARCH THEMSELVES. “CALL TO MIND WHEN MOSES SAID TO HIS PEOPLE: O MY PEOPLE, RECALL THE FAVOUR THAT ALLAH BESTOWED UPON YOU WHEN HE APPOINTED PROPHETS AMONG YOU AND MADE YOU KINGS, AND GAVE YOU THAT WHICH HE HAD NOT GIVEN TO ANY OTHER OF THE PEOPLES.(5:20). ALSO IN ISLAM EXPANSION BY CONQUEST WAS NEVER SEEN AS A GOOD THING (EVEN THOUGH MANY A MUSLIM LEADERS OF AGES AGO ARE GUILTY OF THAT), AS WE FIND IN THE VERSE ABOUT THE QUEEN OF SHEEBA ADVISING HER COUNSEL. “SHE SAID: SURELY WHEN MIGHTY KINGS INVADE A COUNTRY, THEY DESPOIL IT AND HUMILIATE ITS LEADING PEOPLE. AND THAT HAS BEEN THEIR WAY (27:35). KINGS CAN BE GOOD OR BAD JUST AS ELECTED PRIME MINISTERS OR PRESIDENTS. DID YOU KNOW THAT HOLY QURAN MENTIONS A CATEGORY OF KINGS WHO WERE APPOINTED BY GOD. SUCH AS KING SOLOMAN (AS), WHO WAS NOT ONLY A KING BUT WAS ALSO A PROPHET. THIS SHOWS THAT SOMETIME THE OFFICE OF PROPHETHOOD AND SOVEREIGNTY MAY COMBINE – BUT ONLY WITH THE COMMISION FROM GOD. ANOTHER TYPE OF SOVEREIGNTY COMES THROUGH THE AUTHORITY OF THE PROPHETS. THE FOLLOWING VERSE SHOWS THAT: “ O YE WHO BELIEVE, OBEY ALLAH AND OBEY HIS MESSENGER AND THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORTY AMONG YOU. THEN IF YOU DIFFER IN ANYTHING AMONG YOURSELVS, REFER IT TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER IF YOU ARE BELIEVERS IN ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER AND LAST DAY. THAT IS THE BEST AND MOST COMMANDABLE IN THE END. (4:59).

SPECIALLY FOR THE MUSLIMS OF THE WEST PAY ATTENTION TO THE LINE “THOSE WHO ARE IN AUTHORITY AMONG YOU” ; IT ALSO MEANS OBEY THE LAW OF THE LAND. SPECIALLY THE FOOD ON YOUR TABLE, IF IT COMES FROM THE LAND WHERE YOU RESIDE THEN YOU MUST OBEY THE LAW OF THAT LAND BE IT CHRISTIAN OR HINDU OR BE WHATEVER IT MAY. I SAY THAT BECAUSE ALLAH WANT YOU TO LIVE BY JUSTICE FOR YOUR SOULS WELL BEING. SO IF YOU DO NOT LIKE YOUR GOVT. IT IS BEST YOU LEAVE THAT COUNTRY THAN TO CREATE DISORDER THERE IN. NOW LET ME POINT OUT THE IHERENT WEAKNESS IN THE DEMOCRATIC FORM OF ELECTION. IT IS THIS, WHEN THE MASSES MAKE THE CHOICE ON SUPERFICIAL IMPRESSION AND LATEST ASSESMENT OF THE POLL AND ARE INCAPABLE OF JUDGING FOR THEMSELVES THE SOUND QUALITES OF LEADERSHIP WHO WOULD SERVE THEM THE BEST, THEN IT IS ONLY A FUTILE ATTEMPT IN DEMOCRACY IN THE TRUEST SENSE. NOW ADD THE FACT THAT USUALLY THE VOTES ARE LEFT WITH BAD AND WORSE CANDIDATE TO PICK – DOES THAT NOT TAKE IT AWAY FORM ITS TRUE STATED GOAL OF “BY THE PEOPLE”. TO GET BACK TO THE EARLIER POINT, DO NOT TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT BY ASSUMING THAT ALL MONARCH OR KINGS ARE DIVINELY CHOSEN BY GOD FROM MY STATEMENTS. THIS MISCONCEPTION WHICH HAS BEEN COMMON IN CHRISTIAN SYSTEM IS NOT SHARED BY THE HOLY QURAN.

WELL I FORGOT TELL YOU ABOUT THE ISLAMIC DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY. ACCORDIING TO HOLY QURAN PEOPLE HAVE THE FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE ANY SYSTEM OF THE GOVERNMENT WHICH SUITES THEM. ANY SYSTEM ARE VALID PROVIDED THEY ARE ACCEPTED BY THE PEOPLE. HOWEVER IT SEEMS THAT DEMOCRACY AS I SAID BEFORE IS PREFRRED AND HIGHLY COMMENDED IN THE HOLY QURAN. THE MUSLIMS ARE ADVISED TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM THOUGH NOT EXACTLY ON THE PATTERN OF WESTERN STYLE OF DEMOCRACY. NO ISLAM DOES NOT PROVIDE WITH HOLLOW DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY FOR GOOD SOUND BITE. ABE LINCOLNS DEFINITION IS GOOD, FOR THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AS A SYSTEM, ONLY IF IT IS IMPLEMENTABLE IN A MATERIALISTIC SOCIETY. BUT ONE CAN EASILY CONCLUDE THAT WITH RISING OF CAPITALISM, TRULY DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS CAN NOT BE HELD ANYWHRE. AS THE SYSTEM DEFINED BY ABE LINCOLN FOR THE PEOPLE IS NOT REALY SAFE EVEN IN THE MOST DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. I BELIVE THAT IS WHY ISLAM DEALS WITH THE PRINCIPLE OF IT AND LEAVES THE REST TO THE PEOPLE. SO YOU CAN SAY ACCORDING TO ISLAM TO FORM A GOVERNMENT IT CAN BE SAID “FOLLOW AND BENEFIT, (INJUNCTIONS GIVEN) OR STRAY AND BE DESTROYED”. ANYWAY THE TWO PILLARS OF ISLAMIC CONCEPT OF DEMOCRACY IS THIS : 1. DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OF ELECTION MUST BE BASED ON TRUST AND INTEGRITY. 2. GOVERNMENTS MUST FUNCTION ON THE PRINCIPLE OF ABSOLUTE JUSTICE. NOW YOU CAN ELABORATE THIS TO YOUR HEARTS LEVEL BEST, OR AS MUCH YOU HAVE DEVELOPED. AS YOU CAN TELL ONE CAN GIVE MORE EXAMPLES. I AM SURE THERE ARE PLENTY MORE WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEBLE, AND WRITE BETTER. I PREFER TO WRITE IN A LOWER GRADE FOR COMMON FOLKS TO GRASP.

NOW, I ACCEPT ANY CHALLENGE ON ANY ISSUE, MY VIEWPOINTS WOULD BE FROM QURAN OR HADITH. BE IT ON SCIENCE, PARA NORMAL, GUIDENCE OR INJUNCTIONS. ONE CAN BRING IT ON, SO LONG AS ONE WISHES TO UNDERSTAND, DESIRES NOT TO BE PETTY AND KEEPS AN OPEN MIND THROUGHOUT. SPECIALLY THOSE WHO LIKES TO FIND FAULT AND RIDICULE THE BEST OF MAN, PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH) ABOUT HIS CONDUCT AND HIS MINISTRY. I DARE TO SAY HOW LITTLE INDEED IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE CONTEMPORARIES OF THE TIME OF THE PROPHET (PBUH). USE COMMON SENSE ABOUT THE TIME AND HOW CUSTOMS WERE THEN, AND YOU WOULD EASILY SEE THE EXTREME OF DIPLOMACY AND KINDNESS HE USED WITH JEWS AND PAGANS AND ABSOLUTE JUSTICE THE TRUE PIRNCE OF PEACE (BIBLE CALLED HIM THAT) ESTABLISHED DURING HIS LIFE TIME. SO PLEASE READ THE INFORMATION ON ISLAM FROM THE SOURCE THAT IS ISLAMIC. WOULD A JEW OR A CHRISTIAN OR A HINDU TAKE LESSON OR LIKE TO LEARN OR HEAR THE OPINION OF A MUSLIM SCHOLAR ON THEIR RESPECTIVE FAITHS? I THINK NOT. SO THEN WHY SOME OF YOU CHOOSE TO DO JUST THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ISLAM, WHEN YOU YOURSELF WOULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN TO YOU OR YOUR FAITH? THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR TODAY. I WILL GET TO CREATION AND EVOLUTON SOON AND THAT WOULD SET THINGS IN MOTION FOR YOU TO SEE THE WONDAROUS CREATIVE GENIOUS OF GOD. MAY GOD BE OUR GUIDE.

Look next time type using lower case letters. It would be easier to read and more “civilised” of you. Then we may give you a serious response.