Why is patiotism haraam?

[desi-soul]

Why is patriotism haraam?

[anisa22]

because it divides people who should be united under the brotherhood of their shared religion.

[samtel]

Typical example of how slaves are made from bangladeshis by Islam. Why don't you guys change your mother tongue to Arabic and leave Bengali for the Hindu Bengalis who have developed it for centuries??

You guys do not have your own language and took our beautiful mother tongue and claimed it as your mother tongue. Is there any Banglaedshi who talks Bengali??? Noop, they talk "Bangal" which does not have any literature, Shameful you Bangladeshi slaves !!!!!!

[angeleyes]

Originally posted by samtel
Typical example of how slaves are made from bangladeshis by Islam. Why don't you guys change your mother tongue to Arabic and leave Bengali for the Hindu Bengalis who have developed it for centuries??

You guys do not have your own language and took our beautiful mother tongue and claimed it as your mother tongue. Is there any Banglaedshi who talks Bengali??? Noop, they talk "Bangal" which does not have any literature, Shameful you Bangladeshi slaves !!!!!!

Come on Samtel,

be a bit reasonable here. It's not about whose langauge it was to begin with and who has adapted to and acquired a particular language.

Are you going to start turning the Muslim Bangladeshis out of their houses coz once upon a time it used to be a Hindu neighbourhood?

Instead of discrediting the Bangladeshi Muslims, you should feel happy that they are using "your" langauge. Though I must say, I don't understand your division of "Bengali" and "Bangal"?

To desi- soul: As far as I understand it, patriotism and nationalism is only discouraged to the extent where it becomes all dominating and excluding.
Allah states in the Quran that He has created us in different nations so we may be able to recognise each other. But as Anisa said if that divides people who should be united due to their religion, patriotism should be avoided.

We should not forget where we come from, which clan/family/nation we belong to, but our religion should be the thing we use in order to cometogether and unite, rather than national allegiance.

Well at least this is why I think nationalism is discouraged.

[fug]

its probably too much to expect us lot to ever be able to formulate a muslim nationalism, with going gaga.

i dont really need to explain what values muslims seek to embodie. id like for these values to be expressed as a form of 'love and duty to this specific geographical entity called bangladesh'.

we need a strong nation state. too much of the politics in our country is dictated by satisfying international agencies.a bit of dignity would go a long way.


bangladeshi nationalism, helps some people find motivation (though does distract a lot with pointless argumentation) to actually DO stuff for people other than themselves.

i reckon that applaudable, thou not if people become drunk and fanatical or/and tyrannical.


I also believe in Ummah, look in the quran and the qaum, ummah, jamaat thing are are there. but we need to be clear that there is no benefit in dependance, we need to be a contributor,given the oppurtunity, we are a creative hard working people, (i think) and have a lot to offer. WE need to develop ourselves so we are in a position to bring great things to the 'Table'. not cheap labour, not immigration problems, not a geography textbook example, not tyranny.


In international and inter ummahtic organisations we must not be there to make up the numbers neither should we be a 'guest' nor a 'drain on resources' not a 'basketcase'.

i understand that this beggar status is the result of complex historical factors, but its in peoples heads now, especially our own.


If we collectivaly had this pride tempered with a spirituality of islamic...and indeed bangladeshi of character, i reckon wed go further.

Patriotism can serve a purpose, but if it is immoral and not contrary to the spiritual sentiment of the majority then its just irrelavent elitist misguided useless rubbish.



ignorant nationalisn should be demolished intellectually.

[rini_h]

islam and patriotsm both of them are important and if both are extreme then they can divide peoples. because if you say the brotherhood of islam then what about non muslim peoples? and if you say brotherhood of banglas then what about non banglas?

[desi-soul]

As far as I understand it, patriotism and nationalism is only discouraged to the extent where it becomes all dominating and excluding.
Allah states in the Quran that He has created us in different nations so we may be able to recognise each other. But as Anisa said if that divides people who should be united due to their religion, patriotism should be avoided.

We should not forget where we come from, which clan/family/nation we belong to, but our religion should be the thing we use in order to cometogether and unite, rather than national allegiance.

Well at least this is why I think nationalism is discouraged.

angeleyes,
Patriotism or territorial protectivness is an inborn natural instinct in all humans and animals....Its been a part of our lives from the very beginning, when we were tribes of pack hunters staying in caves.

Patriotism has been a soul of our respective civilization! Without pride, self esteem and competitivness we wouldn't have acheived or created wonders,that we boost of, today!

So than, why is patriotism such a negetive quality??

And if God dislikes us to be patriotic, why would he tell us this, after more than 10,000 years of our existence???

Maybe,he shouldn't have given us this spirit of collective territorial protectiveness in our genes from the very beginning...That would have made things easier for us and for him too!!

Or as i see there has to be some vested interest in such fatwas!! and may be god has nothing to do with it!!

because it divides people who should be united under the brotherhood of their shared religion.

anissa,
Maybe, religion divides people and creats more hatred, than feeling of territorial superiority!

islam and patriotsm both of them are important and if both are extreme then they can divide peoples.

hmmm... rini, i agree with you to some extend.
So you dont feel nationalism is counter productive..as some here do!!




[Edited by desi-soul on 16th January 2004 at 18:57]