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Old 14th December 2003, 01:27
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They believe that there are three principal gods: Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu. Brahma creates; Shiva destroys; and Vishnu preserves. One makes, another breaks, and another keeps.

Each of these three have consorts. Brahma's wife is Saraswati. Shiva's wife is Parbatti. And Vishnu's wife is Lakshmi. As is already obvious, these gods are described as having very human characteristics. How can one of these or the three together create, govern and preserve the universe?

These gods also have human limitations and needs. For example, Shiva is known for his attachment to his wife. The religious books of the Hindus describe how Shiva was once busy with his wife when a saint came to see him. He did not pay proper respect to the saint, since he was occupied with his wife. The saint therefore put a curse on him with the result that today Shiva is worshipped in a representation as a male phallic symbol, called the lingam. His wife Parbatti is likewise worshipped in the representation of a female sexual part, called the yoni. Hindus look for stones that resemble these shapes and set them up for worship. They also deliberately carve such shapes to bow down before them. In some temples of Shiva you will find in the courtyard the two shapes together, one inserted in the other


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Old 14th December 2003, 11:47
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kazanova3:


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"How can one of these or the three together create, govern and preserve the universe?
Simple. The forementioned is only hindu mythology. There is a difference between myth and orthadoxy. If there isnt, then even muslims would have a hard time proving if the existence of muhammed is a myth or truth, and the christians proving the existence of christ.

Shiva, et al appear in the hindu mythological books (which some consider holy, and the orthadox consider unorthadox) called the 'Puraanas'.



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"These gods also have human limitations and needs. For example, Shiva is known for his attachment to his wife."
Attachment is not a limitation. Does allah not love his creations?



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"The religious books of the Hindus describe how Shiva was once busy with his wife when a saint came to see him. He did not pay proper respect to the saint, since he was occupied with his wife. The saint therefore put a curse on him with the result that today Shiva is worshipped in a representation as a male phallic symbol, called the lingam. His wife Parbatti is likewise worshipped in the representation of a female sexual part, called the yoni. Hindus look for stones that resemble these shapes and set them up for worship. They also deliberately carve such shapes to bow down before them. In some temples of Shiva you will find in the courtyard the two shapes together, one inserted in the other
Can you please tell me which religious book you are referring to? Also,such worship is due to many not looking towards the Vedas and Shaastras for the correct and orthadox method of worship. Such practises are rejected by those who choose to participate in Brahmans worship as per vedic instruction.


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"I know that mighty One who, resplendent like the Sun, transcends darkness (ignorance). By knowing Him alone, one conquers death. There is no other way to salvation"
(Yajur Veda XXXI-181).

"In the beginning all this was covered over by darkness, unknowable, indefinable, unarguable, indeterminable; the universe appeared to be in a state of sleep, as it were. Then, the Self-originated Divine Being, Himself unmanifested, manifested this universe with its great elements etc., by tearing the veil of this darkness and revealing the forms of His creative energy. He, who is not to be beheld by the senses, who is subtle, the unmanifest, the everlasting, the unthinkable, the very embodiment of all beings,-He, of Himself, rose above this primordial darkness".
Manu-Smriti (I. 5-7)


"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
(Rigveda 5:1:81 - 11)
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Old 14th December 2003, 11:58
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They believe that there are three principal gods: Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu. Brahma creates; Shiva destroys; and Vishnu preserves. One makes, another breaks, and another keeps.
These deities are what hindus have seperated the 3 basic works of Brahman. Birth, Life, Death. Beginning, Middle, End. Everything has an end....lol, that line makes me remember the trailer of Matrix 3. The point is, that all of Brahmans creations are finite. The human soul is a part of Him and when the bodys life on earth ends, the soul returns back to 'home base', ie, Brahman. The fact that theyve (ie, Hindus have) associated/attached deities and personalities to these 3 deeds of Brahmans is another story.


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"How can one of these or the three together create, govern and preserve the universe?
Simple. The forementioned is only hindu mythology. There is a difference between myth and orthadoxy. If there isnt, then even muslims would have a hard time proving if the existence of muhammed is a myth or truth, and the christians proving the existence of christ.

Shiva, et al appear in the hindu mythological books (which some consider holy, and the orthadox consider unorthadox) called the 'Puraanas'.



Quote:
"These gods also have human limitations and needs. For example, Shiva is known for his attachment to his wife."
Attachment is not a limitation. Does allah not love his creations?



Quote:
"The religious books of the Hindus describe how Shiva was once busy with his wife when a saint came to see him. He did not pay proper respect to the saint, since he was occupied with his wife. The saint therefore put a curse on him with the result that today Shiva is worshipped in a representation as a male phallic symbol, called the lingam. His wife Parbatti is likewise worshipped in the representation of a female sexual part, called the yoni. Hindus look for stones that resemble these shapes and set them up for worship. They also deliberately carve such shapes to bow down before them. In some temples of Shiva you will find in the courtyard the two shapes together, one inserted in the other
Can you please tell me which religious book you are referring to? Also,such worship is due to many not looking towards the Vedas and Shaastras for the correct and orthadox method of worship. Such practises are rejected by those who choose to participate in Brahmans worship as per vedic instruction.


ll Pranaam ll

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"I know that mighty One who, resplendent like the Sun, transcends darkness (ignorance). By knowing Him alone, one conquers death. There is no other way to salvation"
(Yajur Veda XXXI-181).

"In the beginning all this was covered over by darkness, unknowable, indefinable, unarguable, indeterminable; the universe appeared to be in a state of sleep, as it were. Then, the Self-originated Divine Being, Himself unmanifested, manifested this universe with its great elements etc., by tearing the veil of this darkness and revealing the forms of His creative energy. He, who is not to be beheld by the senses, who is subtle, the unmanifest, the everlasting, the unthinkable, the very embodiment of all beings,-He, of Himself, rose above this primordial darkness".
Manu-Smriti (I. 5-7)


"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
(Rigveda 5:1:81 - 11)
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Old 14th December 2003, 15:39
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Good afternoon Arya, you have a very nice name. During my many journeys to different corners of planet earth I have come across this term known as 'Brahminism', I am under the impression that Hinduism and Brahminism are the same thing, would you care to elaborate on this?
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Old 17th December 2003, 05:38
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Greetings friend. Thankyou for your kind compliment.

There is a difference between 'Brahmanism' and 'Hinduism'.

Brahmanism is just a name given by some westerners to what we call "Arya Dharma", the religion of those who follow the Vedas and follow the duties required to be performed on a daily basis for Brahmins. Brahmanism (ie. Arya Dharma) is orthadox hinduism. If you follow brahmanism you are following Brahmin duties and therefore follow the Vedas and Dharma Shaastras. I think that brahmanism is not a good name to use at all, as it may suggest to many that you must be a born brahmin to be able to follow this path, which is wrong.

Hinduism is what you see in india widely today. Hinduism has its numerous books, methods of worship, different beliefs, and deities. Hinduism accepts the Vedas, Shree Madbhagvad Geeta, Puraans, and Upanishads as holy texts, where as Arya Dharma only accepts the Vedas (the Word of God, (ie, 'Brahman')) and dharma shaastras (book of law).

Brahmanism means cleansing yourself 3 times daily and performing sandhya prayers 3 times daily facing the east. It means eating fresh saatvic (pure) food, it means keeping a clear mind and heart free from ill thoughts and speech. It also means the act of giving and teaching others who are illiterate in Arya dharma, and it also means being free from worldy objects and attachment, and it means being thankful for what you have and not thinking of what you dont or should/would/could have. Brahmanism means remaining true to the Arya Dharma and making your whole life it, and it your whole life. A Brahmin is one who follows and takes Arya Dharma into each and every day into new eras and beyond.

I hope this answers your question. Please dont hesitate to ask if you would like to know more.

Dhanyavaad.



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"I know that mighty One who, resplendent like the Sun, transcends darkness (ignorance). By knowing Him alone, one conquers death. There is no other way to salvation"
(Yajur Veda XXXI-181).

"In the beginning all this was covered over by darkness, unknowable, indefinable, unarguable, indeterminable; the universe appeared to be in a state of sleep, as it were. Then, the Self-originated Divine Being, Himself unmanifested, manifested this universe with its great elements etc., by tearing the veil of this darkness and revealing the forms of His creative energy. He, who is not to be beheld by the senses, who is subtle, the unmanifest, the everlasting, the unthinkable, the very embodiment of all beings,-He, of Himself, rose above this primordial darkness".
Manu-Smriti (I. 5-7)


"Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator."
(Rigveda 5:1:81 - 11)
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Old 25th December 2003, 03:40
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Originally posted by kazanova3
They believe that there are three principal gods: Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu. Brahma creates; Shiva destroys; and Vishnu preserves. One makes, another breaks, and another keeps.

Each of these three have consorts. Brahma's wife is Saraswati. Shiva's wife is Parbatti. And Vishnu's wife is Lakshmi. As is already obvious, these gods are described as having very human characteristics. How can one of these or the three together create, govern and preserve the universe?

These gods also have human limitations and needs. For example, Shiva is known for his attachment to his wife. The religious books of the Hindus describe how Shiva was once busy with his wife when a saint came to see him. He did not pay proper respect to the saint, since he was occupied with his wife. The saint therefore put a curse on him with the result that today Shiva is worshipped in a representation as a male phallic symbol, called the lingam. His wife Parbatti is likewise worshipped in the representation of a female sexual part, called the yoni. Hindus look for stones that resemble these shapes and set them up for worship. They also deliberately carve such shapes to bow down before them. In some temples of Shiva you will find in the courtyard the two shapes together, one inserted in the other


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Old 31st December 2003, 11:43
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Let's not question other religion. Stay with yours. Let's respect all different types of religions. [/b]
there is nothing wrong in questioning religions and their text!!they need to be questioned, if they deserve our respect. Following like blind sheeps breeds ignorance!!

Every religion is created by man, they can't be flawless!!they have to evolve with times if they want to survive.

Hinduism has evolved and adopted new thoughts and new ways of life...since its birth some roughly 7 thousand years ago from maitrism. Hinduism has survived though 7,000 years...and still today its the 3rd largest religion followed round the world...that itself is commendable.

Very few, Hindus know that a PART of their religion and gods were imported from old persian aryan religion of 'Maitrism'.And Rig-veda was influenced by Vendidad in zend-avesta of Zorastrians.

The Aryans imported their ancient Sky-God Varuna [cf. Greek Ouranos], whose power and wisdom is revealed in the light of the Sun (‘the eye of Mitra and Varuna’). He knows the cosmic secrets in the upper regions, and all deeds done or not done, and he sees the truth and falsehood of men. He has many eyes, especially in the night sky, and employs spies in the trees (presumably fireflies), who watch to see if men walk the righteous path. The Natural Law (Rita) of the universe was established by Varuna – and the word Arya refers to one who conforms to this Law. He separated the primordial Dyausprithivi, to reveal Dyaus (Sky – cf. Zeus) and Prithivi (Earth).

The Aryans, however, praised most highly the demon-slaying warrior-god Indra, who became their ‘King of Gods’. The Rig-Veda Samhita includes numerous prayers addressed to Indra, imploring his help in vanquishing the enemy, capturing their cattle, and acquiring their wealth. His preferred oblation is Soma, a plant said to grow on Mujavat Mountain and which was prepared as an inebriating drink. This is presumably Ephædra intermedia Schrenk. & Meyer 1846, which grows in the western Himalayas, western Tibet, and across Afghanistan, where the plant is known as Huma. It's distribution extends into Iran (cf. Arya), and it is recognized by Zoroastrians as the Haoma plant of their Zend Avesta. Ephædra intermedia is restricted to alpine habitats (2,500 - 4,800 m); and it contains alkaloids (chiefly pseudo-ephedrine) with strong tonic and stimulant properties. Other Ephædra species may have been used: e.g. the more widely distributed E. gerardiana Wall. 1828, which contains principally ephedrine.

There is clear connexion between the four chief Adityas (solar gods) of the early Rig-Veda (Varuna, Mitra, Aryaman, and Bhaga) and the Avestan Ahura Mazda, Mithra, Airiyaman, and Baga. The early Vedic Asura Varuna is equivalent with Avestan Ahura Mazda, the Lord of High Knowledge, who is manifest as Varana (the Sky) and is the keeper of Asa or Arta (the fundamental ethical principal of Zoroastrianism).


http://www.geocities.com/sarabhanga/veda.html


No religion or culture was developed without outside influence....God does not dictate books to us...
infact, we created God!!we dressed him up!! we created a family for him...We immortalised him in our respective texts...and to question our own creation is not a sin!!







[Edited by desi-soul on 31st December 2003 at 20:14]
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