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Old 21st May 2003, 18:28
muhammad muhammad is offline
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wow. an investigation concerned with wisdom?

what do the right honorouble ladies and noblemen beleive the purpose of marriage to be in the jannah scheme of things?

and what do they also think of the relationship between the hearts of men and women.

theres this bit at the end of a surah, where Allah says that no soul is burdened with a trial that it cannot bear.
Salaam

Islam is a complete way of life and as you have said Allah has not burdened us with a trial we cannot bear. Islam has many aspects, one of these aspects is law. For example, one cannot steal or murder and there is a punishment for such crimes. One law agreed by all the mainstream Islamic schools of thought (sunni, shia and Wahhabi) is that a Muslim cannot marry someone who is non-Muslim, non-Christian and non-Jew. If someone does their marriage would not be recognised Islamically. The rules regarding a Muslim man marrying a Christian or Jewish woman vary depending on the school of thought.

Because these laws are from Allah (SWT) we should accept them even if we don't understand the wisdom behind them. Since there are many hadiths which inform us that we should associate with "believers" and avoiding mixing with "disbelievers", the logic is clear anyway.

A teaching from Ali ibn Hussain ibn Ali ibn Talib (AS) is:

The Imam, peace be on him, gave his companions these excellent pieces of advice: “You have no right to sit with whomever you like, for Allah (the Blessed, the Exalted) says: And when you see those who enter into false discourses about Our communications, withdraw from them until they enter into some other discourse, and if Satan causes you to forget, then do not sit after recollection with the unjust people.[Qur’an, 6, 68.] You have no right to say whatever you like, for Allah, the Exalted, says: And follow not what you have no knowledge of. And for Allah’s messenger, may Allah bless him and his family, says: ‘May Allah have mercy on a servant who says good (words) and wins (them) or he keeps silent and is safe.’ You have no right to listen to whatever you like, for Allah, the Most High, says: Surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that. ”

The life of Imam Zayn al-Abidin chapter X: http://www.maaref-foundation.com/eng...ayn_al-abidin/
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Old 21st May 2003, 19:25
Shamsul_Arefin Shamsul_Arefin is offline
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peace be upon all,

some people just love to make their life more complicated....

love to create conflicts and differences rather than creating harmony and peace..

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[4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

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Old 21st May 2003, 20:51
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The Imam, peace be on him, gave his companions these excellent pieces of advice: “You have no right to sit with whomever you like, for Allah (the Blessed, the Exalted) says: And when you see those who enter into false discourses about Our communications, withdraw from them until they enter into some other discourse, and if Satan causes you to forget, then do not sit after recollection with the unjust people.[Qur’an, 6, 68.] You have no right to say whatever you like, for Allah, the Exalted, says: And follow not what you have no knowledge of. And for Allah’s messenger, may Allah bless him and his family, says: ‘May Allah have mercy on a servant who says good (words) and wins (them) or he keeps silent and is safe.’ You have no right to listen to whatever you like, for Allah, the Most High, says: Surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that. ”


Salam Bro

I hope you are well.

Thanks for quoting that passage. I think it sums my position completely and helps me understand how best to tackle the issue. Having thought about the last few days carefully, I think it best to 'withdraw' from those that are 'entering into false discourses' as clearly advised.

I think this is the best way to avoid accusations and insults from the same.

Was'salam



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Old 21st May 2003, 21:41
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[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

[17:38] All bad behavior is condemned by your Lord.

[54:17] We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?

[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[7:71] He said, "You have incurred condemnation and wrath from your Lord. Do you argue with me in defense of innovations you have fabricated - you and your parents - which were never authorized by GOD? Therefore, wait and I will wait along with you."

[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

[49:11] O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors.





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[4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.

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Old 21st May 2003, 21:59
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Salam - Please compare:

[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

045.006
YUSUFALI: Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
PICKTHAL: These are the portents of Allah which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what fact, after Allah and His portents, will they believe?
SHAKIR: These are the communications of Allah which We recite to you with truth; then in what announcement would they believe after Allah and His communications?


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[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

031.006
YUSUFALI:
But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
PICKTHAL: And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.
SHAKIR: And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.


For 3 translations accepted by muslims, plus tansliteration and preamble, please visit http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ which is a sunni site.

Was'salam.

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Old 22nd May 2003, 10:16
Shamsul_Arefin Shamsul_Arefin is offline
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peace be upon all,

pls compare the translations and accept which you think is best....

[17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.

Arabic :[45:6] Tilka ayatu Allahinatlooha AAalayka bialhaqqi fabi-ayyi hadeethinbaAAda Allahi waayatihi yu/minoona

(Translation by God Alone people)

(Rashad Khalifa)[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

(Free-minds)[45:6]These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. So, in which narration other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?.

(Translation by sunnis)

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YUSUFALI: Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?

PICKTHAL: These are the portents of Allah which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what fact, after Allah and His portents, will they believe?

SHAKIR: These are the communications of Allah which We recite to you with truth; then in what announcement would they believe after Allah and His communications?

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Arabic :[31:6] Wamina alnnasi man yashtareelahwa alhadeethi liyudilla AAan sabeeli Allahibighayri AAilmin wayattakhithaha huzuwan ola-ikalahum AAathabun muheenun

(Translation by God Alone people)

(Rashad Khalifa)[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

(Free-minds)[31:6]And from the people, there are those who accept baseless narrations to mislead from the path of GOD without knowledge, and takes it as entertainment. Those will have a humiliating retribution.

(Translation by Sunnis)

031.006
YUSUFALI: But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.

PICKTHAL: And of mankind is he who payeth for mere pastime of discourse, that he may mislead from Allah's way without knowledge, and maketh it the butt of mockery. For such there is a shameful doom.

SHAKIR: And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.



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Old 23rd May 2003, 00:50
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Does anyone know who this new hadith-writer Rashad Khilafa was? Any guidance would be appreciated.

And who are these new hadith-writers called Freeminds? They ask us not to accept any information from any Islamic source, yet very helpfully provide their own translation of Qur'an to rely on? Are they the new 'scholars' that we should rely on? Does anyone know what religion these people follow as its causing me some confusion. Personally I prefer to rely on the existing three different translations accepted by muslims.

It seems very appropriate that Shamsul can point accusing fingers at muslims relying on exsiting authority and yet he entirely relies on conflicting authority from a couple of websites.


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