very important Q about allah "what/who created Allah"

[SHYLETTI-GUNDAH-BYSAB]

JESUS (SORRY THAT WAS ANDYS LYRIC)I WAS ONLY JOKIN KRAZY FURI

ANDY WOTS UR VIEW ON CHRISTIANS U NEVA TELL US OH I FORGOT YOUS SCARED TO GET CUSSED.

[Hasan_Ali_Imam]

Br. Burns

Thanks for your response dated 7th Feb.

You mentioned that our concept of infinity is flawed. I would surmise that our concept of infinity is limited...not flawed. Infinity is incomprehensible to us. Now we can extend this argument and conclude that if infinity is incomprehensible then God is even more incomprehensible to the human psyche. The only way we can know God is from the limited information He gives about Himself through revelation.

You took issue with my statement on singularity vs plurality of God. I stated that we are not able to comprehend plurality of God because the concept of plurality is limited to the three dimensional space. When we imagine more than one object, we do so knowing that the objects occupy space and they are separated from each other by space. And since space is a creation and God is outside of His creation therefore to argue for the plurality of God is absurd. Your reply to this argument was that the concept of being outside space-time continuum cannot be judged from within. However, this actually supports my argument because when we agree that God is outside our creation, then the concept of plurality becomes void. We cannot imagine what it is like outside our universe, outside time and space for the reason you just gave.

Regarding the creation of God. The crux of my argument was that if we believe that God has a creator then He no longer isGod. God is the creator not the created. You countered this by stating that this idea stems from the fact that I believe this to be the case because I am Muslim. However, God being the Creator and not created is a universal concept supported by Jews, Christians, Hindus etc. The attribute of the Creator is that He is uncreated. Now when you state that He may have a Creator, you are changing the concept of God. It might therefore be worthwhile to explain that if God is created (a creation) then what makes God, God? What is your understanding of God?

Finally you wrote a hypothetical dialogue between a Muslim and an non-Muslim where the Muslim is asked who created God? He answers that there is no beginning. How can he be sure? Because the Quran says so. Then the non-Muslim asks how he knows the Quran to be the truth...to which he replies that it is from God. This is obviously a circular argument and the Muslim would lose the debate if such a dialogue took place in reality. The existence of God can be proven if we can prove the Quran is authentic and true. If the Quran is true, therefore the author of it is God, hence God exists. When Muslims try to prove the Quran true he doesn’t do so by stating that it is from God. The information in the Quran pertaining to the real world can be tested and verified independently without resorting to the God argument. Hence we are not using the Quran to demonstrate its own validity (that would be circular reasoning), but using independent methods which can verify the information contained in the Quran.

Wassalam
Hasan

[Andywelik]

Originally posted by SHYLETTI-GUNDAH-BYSAB
KRAZY FURI Y U WRITIN IN CAPS DATS MY STLE

ANDY PLS PLS PLS TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED WHEN U CONVERTED DID U GET BEAT UP BY UR PARENTS.R U MARTIN BASHIR HIS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN AND ALSO A GUY WHO NO BODY LIKES.

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Why should I get beat up by anybody for BEING A BORN-AGAIN Christian?

I was NEVER a Muslim in my life.

Out of all the RELIGIONS of the world, ONLY ISLAM TEACHES to kill/beat-up those MUSLIMS who turn to JESUS CHRIST for salvation from hell-fire.

This of course is IN SPITE of the TEACHING in the KORAN that "THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION."

Can a MUSLIM tell us how the Koran can TEACH one thing and PRACTICE THE OPPOSITE.

No other religion DOES IT.

[Hasan_Ali_Imam]

Br. Burns.

Assalamu Alaikum.

Any thoughts?

Wassalam
Hasan

[ArmyofjesuISLAM]

Muslim-Response:
See We believe our creator our designer is not PART of creation, hence not limited or confined to time, space and matter. He is out side time, space and matter and out side this universe. In a separate existence although he is with us

through his knowledge. He is alpha and omega. God unlike everything else in (time, space and matter) has a begging and a end. Since God is out side time space and matter he has NO BEGGING AND NO END.

These are one of His unique attributes which makes him God. I would rather believe in a designer then to say this universe and everything in it, just poped out of thin air..im sticking to Scientific criteria every cause has a effect..and every effect has a cause.

I hope that answers your Question

[ArmyofjesuISLAM]

Muslim-Response:
See We believe our creator our designer is not PART of creation, hence not limited or confined to time, space and matter. He is out side time, space and matter and out side this universe. In a separate existence although he is with us

through his knowledge. He is alpha and omega. God unlike everything else in (time, space and matter) has a begging and a end. Since God is out side time space and matter he has NO BEGGING AND NO END.

These are one of His unique attributes which makes him God. I would rather believe in a designer then to say this universe and everything in it, just poped out of thin air..im sticking to Scientific criteria every cause has a effect..and every effect has a cause.

I hope that answers your Question