Cultural J of the higher orders

[fug]

recently had the good fortune of meeting the writer/singer of this song, its nice to know that there are people out there being islamically groovy...

you can listen and find out more on
http://www.ilhamproductions.com/index.html

and theres and interview on http://www.muslimwakeup.com somewhere


UMMAH WAKE UP


ALLAH WILL HELP

THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES

DON’T WASTE TIME AND WONDER WHY

THE SUFFERINGS WE HAVE


MUSLIMS OF THE WORLD

NO MATTER WHAT YOU ARE

LOOK BEYOND OUR DIFFERENCES

THAT WAY WE’LL GO FAR


WE NEED TO LIVE AND WORK TOGETHER

TO MAKE OUR LIVES THAT MUCH BETTER

WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE

BUT PLEASE DO SO RESPECTFULLY


COME MY UMMAH WAKE UP

OUR JIHAD IS LONG OVERDUE

LET’S GO UMMAH WAKE UP

COZ YOU AND I HAVE MUCH TO DO


NURTURE AND WE’LL GROW

ZAKAT EVERYDAY

COZ EVERY KIND WORD THAT YOU GIVE

GOES A LONG WAY


GIVING IN TO HATE

WILL ONLY EAT YOUR FAITH

IF ALLAH IS FORGIVING

THEN WE SHOULD DO THE SAME


WE NEED TO BURY OLD TRADITIONS

THAT CONTRADICT KORANIC TEACHINGS

LET US BE JUST IN THIS UNJUST WORLD

THE MIDDLE PATH IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN TOLD

[Cookie]

dnt mean to be rude but tis all HARAAAAAAAAAAM

[fug]

no its not. does this song inspire haram activity?
youi shouldnt say things like that bro, people might be thick enough to believe you.


understandably non-musically adept muslim commentators will attack anything that they have no power over.

many of our greatest scholars were knowledgable of musical theory.

it is shame that culture doesnt form a part of you muslim activist sensibility. culture to me is what we live and the culmination of whatever our social memories are.

to others is all about lungis and robi babu and nostalgia and museums.

i know that id rather my daughter listned to this stuff than missappropriated the worst of black street culture, bhangra and ol britney.

btw were you just taking the P!ss?

[Cookie]

the ones who listen to music will have molten copper poored in there ears on yowm al hisaab...
nasheeds are ja'iz without the instruments..because it creats hypocrisy in the heart...
if u want evidence jus ask and yep u can give me ur evidence for what u have jus said...
i aint got anyfink against u..but please show me an explicit or implicit Quranic ayah that backs up what u say or show me from the life of Rasul;ullah Sallallahu alay hi wa sallam what u have purported or from the lifestyles of the sahabah ridwaaanullahi ta'ala alyhim ajmaeen or the ta'bieen or taba ta'bi eeen...or the ijma of the ulema ikraam or from qiyyas which u cnt do neither can i..
the above four form our shariah by which our lives are guided...

[fug]

oh here we go.


i know you hold your view cos you beleive its the only correct islamic verdict. I wish beople didnt buy the retrograde salafi propaganda.

my trust network is different from yours and im not up for arguing for the sake of arguing, so can i leave you with this cut and paste job?

The Issue of Music
Now and then the issue of music in Islam is raised in this newsgroup.
In order to help to clarify this matter, here are two opinions on
singing and music -- one view from a scholar of today, and one from
one of the great scholars of the past.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi says:

Among the entertainments which may comfort the soul, please the
heart, and refresh the ear is singing. Islam permits singing
under the condition that it not be in any way obscene or harmful
to Islamic morals. There is no harm in it being accompanied by
music which is not exciting. (Y. al-Qaradawi, "The Lawful and the
Prohibited in Islam," p. 300)
In this book, he gives the support of hadiths regarding his view on
singing and music. An example is the following hadith:

`Aishah narrated that when a woman was married to an Ansari man,
the Prophet (s.a.w.) said,

"`Aishah, did they have any entertainment? The Ansar are fond of
entertainment."
[Reported by al-Bukhari.]

Another hadith which supports the permissability of singing is the
following:

Ibn `Abbas said: `Aishah gave a girl relative of hers in marriage
to a man of the Ansar. The Prophet (peace be on him) came and
asked, "Did you send a singer along with her?"

"No," said `Aishah.

The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) then said, "The Ansar are a people
who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would
sing, `Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.'"
[Reported by Ibn Majah.]

In addition, the following hadith supports singing and playing of
drums during the celebration of `Eid:

`Aishah narrated that during the days of Mina, on the day of `Eid
al-Adha, two girls were with her, singing and playing on a hand
drum. The Prophet (s.a.w.) was present, listening to them with
his head under a shawl. Abu Bakr then entered and scolded the
girls. The Prophet (s.a.w.), uncovering his face, told him,

"Let them be, Abu Bakr. These are the days of `Eid."
[Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.]\par

Furthermore, Yusuf al-Qaradawi reports that

[M]any of the Companions of the Prophet (may Allah be pleased with
them) as well as second generation Muslim scholars used to listen
to singing and did not see anything wrong with it. As for the
ahadith, which have been reported against singing, they are all
weak and have been shown by researchers to be unsound. The jurist
Abu Bakr al-`Arabi says, "No sound hadith is available concerning
the prohibition of singing," while Ibn Hazm says, "All that is
reported on this subject is false and fabricated."
[From al-Qaradawi, p. 302.]

As for those who argue that singing is haram, some of them claim that
the following verse of the Qur'an to be against singing:

And among the people is the one who buys idle talk (at the expense
of his soul) in order to lead (people) astray from the path of
Allah without knowledge, holding it in mockery; for such there
will be a humiliating punishment.
[Qur'an 31:6]

This, however, is not the correct understanding of this ayat (notice
that it does not even mention singing or music at all). The correct
understanding of this ayat, according to Ibn Hazm, is this:

This verse condemns a particular behavior, that of doing something
to mock the path of Allah. Anyone who does this is an unbeliever;
if he even should buy a copy of the Qur'an, doing so in order to
make it the object of his mockery and thereby leading people
astray, he would be an unbeliever. It is this type of behavior
which is condemned by Allah and not the idle talk in which one
may indulge for mere relaxation, without intending to lead people
astray from the path of Allah.
[Ibn Hazm, quoted in al-Qaradawi, p. 302.]

Some of those who condemn singing and music claim that this
condemnation is the meaning of the following verse of the Qur'an:

And what is beyond the truth except error?
[Qur'an 10:32]

However, commenting on this, Ibn Hazm reminds us of the hadith:

The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) said, "Deeds will be
judged according to intentions, and everyone will get what he
intended."
[Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.]
Following this hadith, Ibn Hazm (as quoted by al-Qaradawi, pp. 302-3)
goes on to say that one who listens to singing and music with the
intention of sinning or supporting sinning is himself a sinner, and
this holds true of anything other than singing as well. On the other
hand, if someone listens to singing and music with the intention of
increasing his spiritual state, strengthening his soul, and increasing
his duty to Allah, such a person's actions are of the truth. As for
those who listen to singing neither with the intention of disobedience
or obedience, Ibn Hazm says this is neutral and harmless. Ibn Hazm
says listening to singing or music with a neutral intention is like
going to the park and walking around, or looking at the sky, or
wearing blue or green clothes, etc.

Yusuf al-Qaradawi then gives some limitations regarding listening to
music. In summary, they are:

1. The subject matter of the songs must be in accordance with the
teachings of Islam.

2. Although the subject matter of the song may not be against Islam,
if the singing or music is accompanied with something haram, then it
is haram. An example is music accompanied by suggestive sexual
movement, which is therefore haram.

3. Listening to singing or music should not be done to excess or
extravagance, in accordance with the general teachings of Islam
against taking things to extremes.

4. Each individual is the best judge of himself. So if a person finds
that, for him or her, listening to certain singing or music arouses
one's passions and leads him or her towards sin, and dulls
spirituality, then he or she should avoid it.

5. If the singing or music is done in conjunction with haram
activities, then it is haram. An example of this would be singing or
music at a party where people are drinking alcohol.

[Summarized from al-Qaradawi, p. 303.]

Point no. 5 is what is highlighted by the following hadith, in which
the Prophet (s.a.w.) said,

"Some people of my ummah will drink wine, calling it by another
name, while they listen to singers accompanied by musical
instruments. Allah will cause the earth to swallow them and will
turn some of them into monkeys and swine."
[Reported by Ibn Majah.]
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[Khilari]

perhaps then we cud form a band?

but what wud be our names?

The B-Commers [a pun on B-Com=Bachelor of Commerce... lame i know]

Lead Singers: APN for the singing with Snoop rapping
Drummer: Burns
Tobla: Fug
Guitar1: ASB
Guitar2: Cookie
Bass: MIL and TIL (one holding it up the other plucking the strings)

Management:
-Manager: Star
-Legal: Anisa
-Healthcare: Bang_Ali

and I can be the fan.

sorry if u didnt make the B-Commers, try auditioning for the next production (B-Commer's 2)

[anisa22]

errr.... after cookie's last post, i dont think he'd be up for playing guitar...

so there's a spot free if anyone is interested... as manager, star gets final say over who it will be...