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Old 20th May 2001, 07:10
Faisal_Aslam Faisal_Aslam is offline
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Assalam-o-Alliakum

Just want to clear few concepts.

Hindi and Urdu is totally separate languages and have no words in common.

Did you ever hear the debates in India parliment (called lock-Saabha) on DD1 when some leader speak pure hindu there then I can not understand a word of it and similarly I used to see DD1 many years ago and they show hindi Samachar/News and I can not understand what they are saying.

So how hindi become equal to Urdu.
Infact many years ago at the time of Ametab (in 80es) the hindi movies are known as urdu movies but then there title is change to hindi movie. How I know? as when I was 5/6 years old I remember I used to see the urdu movie on Indian DD1 (doree Dershan) on Saturday night (where announcer call those movies as urdu movie and not hindi). But then slowly the title was changed to hindu movies (from urdu movies)...

The reason that urdu become popular in India is because most of song writers and story writers for India films was urdu speaking (and many was muslims). So now they start saying urdu == hindu where they only use few words of hindi in urdu ...


I am saying this all as I came to know that many people in this forum consider hindi and urdu same language ...

Faisal Aslam

[Edited by Faisal_Aslam on 20th May 2001 at 13:46]
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Old 20th May 2001, 15:56
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Originally posted by Faisal_Aslam
Assalam-o-Alliakum

Just want to clear few concepts.

Hindi and Urdu is totally separate languages and have no words in common.

Did you ever hear the debates in India parliment (called lock-Saabha) on DD1 when some leader speak pure hindu there then I can not understand a word of it and similarly I used to see DD1 many years ago and they show hindi Samachar/News and I can not understand what they are saying.

So how hindi become equal to Urdu.
Infact many years ago at the time of Ametab (in 80es) the hindi movies are known as urdu movies but then there title is change to hindi movie. How I know? as when I was 5/6 years old I remember I used to see the urdu movie on Indian DD1 (doree Dershan) on Saturday night (where announcer call those movies as urdu movie and not hindi). But then slowly the title was changed to hindu movies (from urdu movies)...

The reason that urdu become popular in India is because most of song writers and story writers for India films was urdu speaking (and many was muslims). So now they start saying urdu == hindu where they only use few words of hindi in urdu ...


I am saying this all as I came to know that many people in this forum consider hindi and urdu same language ...

Faisal Aslam

[Edited by Faisal_Aslam on 20th May 2001 at 13:46]
Faisal bhai, I agree with you that hindi and urdu are totally different languages, hindi has been sansikratized, whereas urdu has an influence of arabic and persian, the scripts of the two languages are different too. That's the reason why we cant understand, when people talk in hindi. As far as the indian movies are concerned, the indians themselves portray them as hindi movies, although they are more urdu movies than hindi movies.
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Old 20th May 2001, 18:08
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But oral hindi and urdu are more similar than oral hindi and say bengali??


Coz i don't have a clue what's been said in hindi films.
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Old 20th May 2001, 22:43
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oral hindi and urdu has no words common in them ...
and a urdu speaking can not understand hindi at all ...

Faisal Aslam
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Old 21st May 2001, 04:49
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Pure hindi(Sanskrit type) is very difficult language. Only a few people know Hindi in hindu-india, and is not very commonly understood by common people. However hindu-india is trying to revert to sanskrit type of "A LANGUAGE"-what ever comes out of there effort?

Urdu, as introduced by Akbar," the so called Mughal-e-Azam by hindus" is mostly persian, farsi, arabic and very few words of sanskrit to express verbs and the tense like thaa, thee,hay, gaa, gee etc and also some word. Urdu literally means Lashkary-the army language. Where ever mughal armies went the udru became common. Mind it Urdu is not an original, basic language like Arabic, Farsi,(Farsi is iriginal Pahalvi, persian introduced later).

Hindu-india, with their extreme nationalistic attitude, started writing urdu in sanskrit letter, and started calling it hindi, yet they cannot change the pronunciation. This is an intentional hindu effort to thrust their language upon their neighboring countries slowly, through movies, and yet speak enough urdu-and other languages, so that their neighbors do not mind, and their movies industry does not go flop! Do you see it?

This change was brought about after partition, but very slowly. Now they talk about hindi movie, hindi songs but it is all urdu, yet intrducing some hindi word once in a while. BEWARE, THIS IS AN OPEN BUT VERY SUBTLE EFFORT ON THE PART OF HINDU-INDIA TO CHANGE OUR ISLAMIC WAY OF LIFE.



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Old 22nd May 2001, 14:13
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okie...im confused , my hindi lecturer at uni said Hindi and Urdu are almost identical languages except when it comes to the script? I do know that Hindi is a mixture of urdu, English and Sanskrit
Bengali i think comes from Prakrit, one of the two types of langs from the endo-european language groups (the other being Sanskrit)
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Old 22nd May 2001, 14:17
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I guess a university of london hindi lecturer is more likely to know...

And thanx for the bengali origin point - it outtateach bhailal a thing or two.
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