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Old 18th September 2005, 01:10
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Re: the way of allah ?

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and is it to defend with ones life the teaching that ALLAH HAS NO SON ...and would it do one any good to fight for the right to believe that ?

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I hope that a few knowledgeable Muslims will answer the above!

Seems to me that Allah is having a big problem on his mind, trying to deal with the Allah odf the Christians having a Son! And that that Son died on a cross 1970 some yrs ago!

Wonder why Hindu and Budhists gods don't have these two problems? Any guess?
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Old 18th September 2005, 01:18
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[4.84] ***Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except In relation to yourself***, and rouse the believers to ardor ***maybe*** Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is STRONGEST IN PROWESS and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.

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Can somebody please explain why Allah who is the STRONGEST (I guess in the universe) has to use the INDICISIVE word ***maybe** , when dealing with frail, puny, powerless, prowessless, unbelievers?

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Old 18th September 2005, 01:45
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Deu 18:17 "And the LORD said to me: 'What they have spoken is good.
Deu 18:18 'I will raise up for *them* (Hebrews) a Prophet like you (Moses) from among their brethren (the Hebrews) , and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them (Hebrews) all that I command Him.


The word "hebrews" which you have put in brackets is not there in the hebrew text. Therefore, the verse is not necessarily indicating Jews.

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Please try to **Match** prophet Mohammad with the following prophecy:

Deu 34:10 There has never been another prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew **face to face**.

Deu 34:11 The Lord sent Moses to perform all the miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt against Pharaoh, all his servants, and his entire land.

Deu 34:12 And it was through Moses that the Lord demonstrated his mighty power and terrifying acts ***in the sight of all Israel.***

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The above THREE are prophecies given by Almighty God thru' His Servant prophet Moses, who wrote the Taurat.

I say again, try to match them with your prophet!

The main point is that prophet Mohammad was NOT A man who could have taught anything to the Hebrews of Israel, first, because of his ILLITERACY, then because he was never teaching and preaching in Israel even with an interpreter, then, get your head into the following two SURAS!

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the **Jews** and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.64] And the **Jews** say: The hand of Allah is tied up!

***Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed*** for what they say.

Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord

***will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief;***

and ***We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.***

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Now, please tell me how prophet Mohammad could have taught those two verses to the **Jews**, even if he tried to teach them in Arabia?

Those two ayats are just two out of tens of ayats of similar antagonistic nature, spoken AGAINST THE JEWS!

Can you imagine the Jews following prophet Mohammad everywhere he went preaching and teaching, to listen to more of such HATRED towards the JEWS? I can't , by any stretch of my imagination!

Let me ask you, did the Pharisees and the Scribes who were castigated by Jesus follow Him everywhere to learn more of the same castigation of them? No , they followed Him around to find opportunity to stone Him to death, so they could be RID OF HIM forever from their MIDST!

Suppose your prophet Mohammad had TRIED to teach Suras to the Jews, like the two I have shown, just as examples , what do you think the Jews would have done to prophet Mohammad? Loved him for telling them what his Allah had told him to tell the Jews?

No my friend, they would have killed him, knowing that he was a foreigner trying to add insult to injury. The INSULT being that the Jews were still under the HIGH HAND of Roman occupation in Israel in that time. The added INJURY being that an Arab , illiterate , self-proclaimed, foreign prophet comes with an Arab interpreter (I am guessing now) into their midst to rub salt on their open wounds!

Imagine an Arab coming to the Jews who were under terrible persecution coming and telling that he is a prophet like their prophet Moses and that their God hates them!

Do Muslims think that prophet Mohammad obeyed his Allah by going to the Jews to teach them the Quran when Allah has commanded in the Quran for his followers to CURSE the Hebrew Jews?

Here is the COMMAND to CURSE the Jews!

[5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has ***cursed*** and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

[5.64] And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and ***We have put enmity*** and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

[5.78] Those who disbelieved from among the children of Israel were **cursed** by the tongue of Dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit.

Think thru the above please, before you jump into ILLOGICAL, UNREASONABLE conclusions!


[Edited by christy on 18th September 2005 at 15:15]
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Old 18th September 2005, 02:37
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[quote]Originally posted by Salek_Noor
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Deu 18:22 "when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, (Jehovah) if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

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First of all, the NUTCASE Christy learned very early in his Christian life that HONORABLE APOLOGIST Ahmet Deedat was not an honorable human being.

He twisted and bent every Holy Scripture of the Bible, while saying that the Scriptures he was quoting all the time from the Bible were CORRUPTED words.
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Let's say I cook a meal for a party. You come to the party and you tell everybody there thru the PA system that you found the food to make those who eat it so sick that they will all end up in hospital. Then, you sit down to eat the same food, inviting everybody to sit and eat.

Does that make sense?

That is exactly what youre Deedat did with the Bible.

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Now to my next point about this prophecy of Almighty God given thru His Holy , prophet Moses to the Hebrew people whom he led out of SLAVERY in Egypt!

Deu 18:22 "when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, (Jehovah) if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

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When did prophet Mohammad prophesy in the NAME OF JEHOVAH, the Almighty God of the Hebrews?

What are the prophecies that you can show me in the Quran that ***came to pass*** in the lives of the Hebrew people ?



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