A Failed Religion: Part 01

[Free_Man]

From its earliest beginning, the core of Islam has never been an inner-directed search, but the founding, consolidation and expansion of a State. The religion has been an instrument to justify conquest, conversion and subjugation.

In addition there has always been an anxiety about the revelations and the doctrine that flowed from them. From the earliest days, there has been the strictest embargo on examining the revelations. The Muslim is urged not to ask questions. The Muslim must accept the doctrine as God’s own creation, lest they fall apart on questioning.

There has always been this anxiety that the doctrines would not withstand careful scrutiny. After all the doctrines are nothing but some directives written by some clever Arabian men, reflecting 7-th century knowledge of the world. But they have been projected as the eternal words of God. This anxiety has naturally intensified with each scientific breakthrough.

But the uneasiness has also intensified on other areas, not only science. The well-known claim is that Islam provides a blueprint for the entire life and relationships. The result is that, progress in every sphere (e.g., progressive democratization of governments, separation of religion from the state, progressive humanization of laws, egalitarian and humane ways of viewing the weak, women and minorities) has exacerbated the anxiety. As a result, Islam is still living in 7-th century Arabia, while the world has moved on, leaving it groping in the dark.

[Pheonix]

I still question how can Jesus be God, son of God and the holy Spirit?!

[IRONMAN]

Originally posted by Free_Man

As a result, Islam is still living in 7-th century Arabia, while the world has moved on, leaving it groping in the dark.

FREE_MAN,

THIS TOPIC IS REALLY THOUGHT PROVOKING, & EVERY ONE, SPECIALLY A MUSLIM MUST THINK OVER IT. I CAN UNERSTAND YOU ARE NOT AGAINST THE RELIGION ISLAM, BUT THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM. IF A DRIVER DOES NOT FOLLOW THE TRAFFIC RULES THEN THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE RULES. IT IS DRIVER'S MISTAKE. EVEN TODAY IF A PERSON THINKS THERE IS NO GOD & NO CREATOR OF THIS ENITRE UNIVERSE THEN HE IS A STUPID. A PACK OF SCIENTISTS CAN NOT EVEN CREATE A DUST PARTICLE.......

THE QURAN. TAKE ANY BOOK, EXAMINE IT, & WE WILL SEE THAT IT IS CHANGED OR EDITED MANY TIMES. THIS HOLY BOOK THE QURAN, IS NEVER CHANGED. IT'S CONTENTS IF UNDERSTOOD, WILL TEACH US LOTS OF THINGS. NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO WRITE BUT I CAN WRITE IF REQUIRED, LOTS OF PAGES. I WAS READING OTHER DAY, THE MEANING OF SOME SURAHS, FOUND THAT HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (P) COULD NOT READ OR WRITE BEFORE REVEALETION. HE NEVER ADDRESSES TO LOTS OF PEOPLE BEFORE. BUT AFTER THIS HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT ALLAH, THE ISLAM AND THE RIGHT PATH. IT IS ONE OF THE PROOFS THAT IT IS FROM THE ALLAH.

ISLAM DOES NOT KEEP ANYBODY FROM GETTING KNOWLEDGE. RATHER IT SAYS THAT IT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO LEARN. WHEN IN A BATTLE WITH INFIDELS ('GHAZWA'), SOME P.O.W.s WERE MADE BY THE MUSLIMS, HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (P), ASKED THEM TO TEACH FEW UN-EDUCATED MUSLIMS AND THEY WILL BE FREED.

PEOPLE NOW CONSPIRE ABOUT ISLAM THAT IT KEEPS US FROM GETTING KNOWLEDGE. PERHAPS YOU KNOW THAT FIRST MODERN WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM WAS MADE IN SPAIN SOME 800 YEARS AGO BY MUSLIMS, AND MOST OF THE PIPES ARE STILL WORKING. ROMANS STARTED BUILDING THE HUGE STRUCTURES, BUT THE MUSLIMS STARTED BUILDING ARCHES AND MODERN DESIGN, AND THEN MODERN BUILDINGS WERE STARTED WITH BIG ROOMS. BEFORE THAT IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE CIRCUMSFERENCE O THE EARTH WAS CALCULATED DURING THE PERIOD OF HAZRAT UMAR, THE 2nd CALIPH.

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WOMEN WERE GIVEN RESPECT AND HONOUR. NOW PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM HONOUR, DO IT IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. WOMEN ARE NEVER GIVEN SO MUCH IMPORTANCE IN ANY CULTURE OF RELIGION. FOR INSTANCE WHAT DOES THE WORD 'WOMAN' MEAN. DO YOU KNOW ? PERHAPS YOU KNOW THIS.

IT IS A VIDE TOPIC. AND I HAVE TAKEN MUCH OF THE TIME AND SPACE.

TALK LATER.

[Pheonix]

Those 'dark-lost ages' in history time which some people do not know about Ironbro!! We are not truly recognised/achknowledged for those magnificent scientific events!!

I think knowing that you could say we are ahead of times!!

[IRONMAN]

Originally posted by Pheonix
Those 'dark-lost ages' in history time which some people do not know about Ironbro!! We are not truly recognised/achknowledged for those magnificent scientific events!!

I think knowing that you could say we are ahead of times!!

THANKS. PHEONIX, AND WONDER WHY THIS SEGENT OF 'ISLAM' IN BD.COM IS SO COLD. MOST PEOPLE WASTE TIME IN SAYING IDIOTIC WORDS AND FEEL PROUD TO BE AWAY FROM RELIGION.

A VERY SIMPLE EXAMPLE. IF WE SEE A MECHANIC OR ENGINEER OF ANY COMPANY AND HE GIVES US A TIP ABOUT ANY PRODUCT OF HIS COMPANY, ON HOW TO USE IT WISELY. WE WILL NEVER GORGET THAT TIP, AND WOULD CONSIDER OURSELEVES VERY INTELLIGENT.

AND THE CREATOR OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSES THE 'ALLAH (SWT)' AND HIS PROPHET THE HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (P) TOLD US SO MANY ACTS OF WISDOM, HOW CAN THEY BE WRONG. CAN THEY. IT IS OUR STUPIDITY THAT WE DON'T FOLLOW THEM OR DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THEM.

PHEONIX, YOUR COMMENT WAS VERY MUCH CORRECT. KEEP IT UP.

YOUR BROTHER.

(IT IS BETTER TO BE AN INOCENT AND MEEK THEN A STREET SMART OR EVIL GENIOUS OR OUT SPOKEN) ACCORDING TO A HADITH.

[Pheonix]

SUBHAN ALLAH, Rabbil-alameen!!!

[ICE]

bro ironman u have 1 clever brain