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[halim_akhtar]

In history , sooner or later , the facts and truth reveals itself , some thing like this happened few weeks earlier in Washington USA.
The state department of United States of America has released some of the official documents regarding 1971 Pak – india war, it also includes a research report negating the rapes and other atrocities done by Pakistan Army in East Pakistan during the 1971 turmoil.
The Research was carried out by Professor Miss Sarmeela Boss , a professor in George Washington University, she spent 3 years in Bangladesh immediately after the 1971 war and met thousands of women to find and verify the rapes done by Pak Army.
The research revealed that all the rapes and other misconducts related to Pak Army were fabricated stories and highly exaggerated and amplified by the indians and the world media, as india was the main source of providing such informations to the world media.
The research report very clearly and categorically mentioned the bad hostile intentions of india to damage the integrity & unity of East and West Pakistan. The research also revealed that the political leadership of East Pakistan exploited and mislead their own citizens becoming the taut and tools of india in order to spoil their own motherland.
The world has seen and the history has recorded, those, who betrayed their own people have been killed miserably in their own house. Isn’t it an ironic fact?????
India can never be a friend of any neighboring country unless the neighboring country is more stronger and power full than india, because it’s the hindu philosophy.
Should we Bangladeshi people learn any lesson out of it and try to see the misserable face of india?????????

[Bang_Ali]

Originally posted by halim_akhtar
In history , sooner or later , the facts and truth reveals itself , some thing like this happened few weeks earlier in Washington USA.
The state department of United States of America has released some of the official documents regarding 1971 Pak – india war, it also includes a research report negating the rapes and other atrocities done by Pakistan Army in East Pakistan during the 1971 turmoil.
The Research was carried out by Professor Miss Sarmeela Boss , a professor in George Washington University, she spent 3 years in Bangladesh immediately after the 1971 war and met thousands of women to find and verify the rapes done by Pak Army.
The research revealed that all the rapes and other misconducts related to Pak Army were fabricated stories and highly exaggerated and amplified by the indians and the world media, as india was the main source of providing such informations to the world media.
The research report very clearly and categorically mentioned the bad hostile intentions of india to damage the integrity & unity of East and West Pakistan. The research also revealed that the political leadership of East Pakistan exploited and mislead their own citizens becoming the taut and tools of india in order to spoil their own motherland.
The world has seen and the history has recorded, those, who betrayed their own people have been killed miserably in their own house. Isn’t it an ironic fact?????
India can never be a friend of any neighboring country unless the neighboring country is more stronger and power full than india, because it’s the hindu philosophy.
Should we Bangladeshi people learn any lesson out of it and try to see the misserable face of india?????????

If you'd only think before you opened your gob, you wouldn't say such stupid things. I can show you pictures of the atrocities committed by the napak army aswell as the mass graves which are located throughout the whole of the country.

If you had a brain cell, it'd probably die of boredom. Have you considerd who funded this "research"? Have you looked at what the methods for collecting data? How the population was sampled? Or why this "research" was carried out in the first place?

What about the fact that the yanks were funding and supporting the atrocities against the Bengali people. If your head wasnt full of excrement you'd realise that such "research" was probably carried out to cover up the shameful acts of the pakis and to cover the yanks.

I know that our neighbour is another bully, but that doesnt't mean we should change the accounts of what happened in the past. People already know what happened, we don't need a piece of toss to tell us now. Maybe you are a child of the kind of woman who would falsely cry rape. But I don't think even you are stupid enough to really believe so many women would have come forward and said they'd been raped. But then again, maybe your perspective is different to what is normal.

Just because you may have issues against india, doesn't mean you start falsifying the past to discredit it. If anyone misled the people in e.pak, it was the pakis and their ass kissers like yourself.

Either you are extremely naive or you are a dumb ass and an idiot, and I suspect you to be of questionable paternity.

[halim_akhtar]

Originally posted by Bang_Ali

If you'd only think before you opened your gob, you wouldn't say such stupid things. I can show you pictures of the atrocities committed by the napak army aswell as the mass graves which are located throughout the whole of the country.

If you had a brain cell, it'd probably die of boredom. Have you considerd who funded this "research"? Have you looked at what the methods for collecting data? How the population was sampled? Or why this "research" was carried out in the first place?

What about the fact that the yanks were funding and supporting the atrocities against the Bengali people. If your head wasnt full of excrement you'd realise that such "research" was probably carried out to cover up the shameful acts of the pakis and to cover the yanks.

I know that our neighbour is another bully, but that doesnt't mean we should change the accounts of what happened in the past. People already know what happened, we don't need a piece of toss to tell us now. Maybe you are a child of the kind of woman who would falsely cry rape. But I don't think even you are stupid enough to really believe so many women would have come forward and said they'd been raped. But then again, maybe your perspective is different to what is normal.

Just because you may have issues against india, doesn't mean you start falsifying the past to discredit it. If anyone misled the people in e.pak, it was the pakis and their ass kissers like yourself.

Either you are extremely naive or you are a dumb ass and an idiot, and I suspect you to be of questionable paternity.

BANGI
READ THE LANGUAGE YOU USED IN YOUR DIRTY REPLY, YOUR LANGUAGE INDICATES YOUR SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS AND SHOWS THAT YOU SIMPLY HAVE NOT ANY RESPECT FOR YOUR OWN MOTHER, IF YOU CAN SPEAK RUBISH ABOUT SOME ONE'S MOTHER , BEAWARE YOUR MOTHER CAN ALSO BE DISRESPECTED EQUALLY, WHICH I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE , OTHERWISE ITS VERY EASY TO WRITE THE SAME ABOUT YOUR SELF . BETTER YOU LEARN SOME MANNERS TO DISCUSS THE THINGS.

[Bang_Ali]

Better you learn to stop disrespecting the whole of the Bengali female population before you start complaining about anyone else. What I suggested was that maybe it is acceptable for you to believe that women en-masse are prepared to make up stories about being raped. Why are you so willing to believe it unless you have previously been exposed to this? How can you make sweeping comments like all the women who claimed to have been raped were falsifying their stories. Don't expect any gratitude from me in that you are refrainign from abusing my mother. I consider all women who were victimised by the pakis to be worth the same as my own mother. So when you say that they all were making things up, I take it personally. Why do you find it so easy to insult Bengalis? Is there anything about you we should know? And why is it you believe the cr4p the yanks put out? Shame on you!

[jodyraye]

How dare halim_akhtar minimize and totally negate what really happened to Bangladeshi women! To distort reality towards the defensless Bangladeshi women is to rape them again with your lies!
If you are so interested in what a western author writes about the situation in Bangladesh read Susan Brownmiller's book "Against Our Will" (Ballantine Books 1975). In regards to the aftermath of the War for Independence in 1971 she writes, "An Asian relief secretary for the World Council of Churches called a press conference in Geneva to discuss his two-week mission to Bangladesh. The Reverend Kentano Buma reported that more than 200,000 Bengali women had been raped by Pakistani soldiers during the nine-month conflict, a figure that had been supplied to him by Bangladesh authorities in Dacca. Thousands of the raped women had become pregnant, he said. And by tradition, no Moslem husband would take back a wife who had been touched by another man, even if she had been subdued by force. "The new authorities of Bangladesh are trying their best to break that tradition," Buma informed the newsmen. "They tell the husbands the women were victims and must be considered national heroines. Some men have taken their spouses back home, but these are very, very few."
"Bengal was a state of 75 million people, officially East Pakistan, when the Bangladesh government declared its independence in March of 1971 with the support of India. Troops from West Pakistan were flown to the East to put down the rebellion. During the nine-month terror, terminated by the two-week armed intervention in India, a possible three million persons lost their lives, ten million fled across the border to India, and 200,000, 300,000 or possibly 400,000 women (three sets of statistics have been variously quoted) were raped. Eighty percent of the raped women were Moslems, reflecting the population of Bangladesh, but Hindu and Christian women were not exempt. As Moslems, most Bengali women were used to living in purdah, strict, veiled isolation that includes separate, secluded shelter arrangements apart from men, even in their own homes. The Pakistanis were also Moslem, but there the similarity stopped. Despite a shared religious heritage, Punjabi Pakistanis are taller, lighter-skinned and "rawboned" compared to dark, small-boned Bengalis. This racial difference would provide added anguish to those Bengali women who found themselves pregnant after their physical ordeal."

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salam jodykhala!! all well with you?

halima, are you here to windpeople up, to spread awareness or to show up that youve read a reference to something somewhere?


i think this is why b.com is such a pain, creating debates over terrible things, with no manners, little insight and no constructive element at all.

im in bangladesh now, i wanted to share a story about this interview i did in a mosq.

im here looking at social memory amongst other things. how do communities remeber their pasts? how do the young deal with issues that theri parents also faced? specifically im focussing on an environmental change, but i was in a mosque speaking with the folks there....

one of my questions was 'can you share an experience of UN-Cooperation?' people arent particularlt happy to share these things....but i was asking the old man.... a former member of the mukti bahini, ex owner of a cigarrette factory etcetera..chairman of the mosq

well a younger dude in the mosque angrily said ' tell him about what the pakistanis did to us in the war!!' i let it slide politely and finished my interview..

the younger dude cant have directly experiences that time of turmoil, he had experienced it though growing up in the post bangladesh period. but he remembered what he had learnt vividly. its insulting more than anything else i guess. people who want to understand must realise that.

anyway, i asked the old man what happened in this locality during the war, amongst other things we stuck the biharis in the jail and set fire to it... well thats one of the things...

he had a look of regret in his eyes, youth, hotblood, a climate of tyranny whatever.. he was a mukti dude himself, probably more out of circumstance than ideology, another old man said...now we realise, that with these biharis, our country would have developed more than before.

this was their perception, that nonlocals were less corrupt than post liberation civilservants


im not sure how happy we bangladeshis and serbs and pakistanic are to admit.... bad things about ourselves , but there were particularly unsavoury elements in the mukti bahini im talking about mafioso criminal types), as well as a large amount of extremely pissed of farmers whod expereinced brutality.

anyway the empowerment of certain criminal elemennst and an particular 'eff you' mentality regarding government is harming the function of our society.

thats my picture of things, both of the accounts you mention have an element of relative truth, though boths dont have the complete picture. on the groung, BangAlis picture was experience more. directly and through post liberation propaganda. and thats something that its foolish to

gloss over especialy if you really have affection for south asia.


oh heck long political posturing on b.com.....



i hope that when we face calamities in future, we wont thoughtlessly do the first thing that comesinto our head, we wont manouvre ourselves into ideological culdesacs, we wont ethnically cleanse ourselves, we wont ally ourselves with criminals seeking their own glory...we will hold onto the rope of Allah and stand firm for justice..

[jodyraye]

Yes, I had read that you and Star were in BD! And I make duas for both of you: your health, well being and progress with your work! I had heard Star was ill which distressed me!

How diplomatic you sound in this post! I love that! I'm so glad you are working with the people of BD. It sounds so interesting! And thanks so much for your input to this thread!
It is hard enough for young people to discern the truth especialy when others take the liberty to rewrite history/distort the truth. ("Allah's truth makes all things clear...")

I must sign off now--Allah's(swt) compassion to both of you!
Jody