COMPLAINT ABOUT AMAR-SONAR-BANGLA

[Nur]

Hi,
I have been a member for a few years now and I am also a moderator. I would like to complain about Amar-Sonar-Bangla who is a new moderator - he has been deleting and editing and locking my threads and posts in order to defend his friend who has offended many people. I have posted a thread, titled, "practical problems with a muslim girl marrying a hindu guy" around 10 times or more, which is a real issue in the bengali community. My thread and posts were repeatedly deleted without any explanation.

It was only because I repeatedly posted the thread that in the end an explanation was given to the effect that my post was confrontational and offensive. I have posted over 2,000 posts and my posts have never been edited in he past and I myself use the power sparingly, because I sincerely believe in the freedom of speech - this is why even when I am directly insulted or when my beliefs are directly insulted or mocked I never respond by deleting or editings posts or threads - this makes the discussion more interesting and more lively and more fair. Others are not happy with situation where the power to edit it misused so frequently because of personal friendships. I am sure you will take notice of my complaint and will take proper action.

Thanks!

[Nur]

Hi,
I wanna complain again about amar-sonar-bangla, because one of my posts has now been deleted over 20 times or so. The following is the post which was originally posted in http://www.bangladesh.com/forums/sho...threadid=13084 and it has been totally edited with just teh last sentence remaining, ie, "look forward to your asnwers", which makes no sense on its own whatsoever! My point in asking her these questions was to point out the hypocrisy in her attacking an idea by saying that it is against Islam yet at the same time defending ideas that are clearly against the Islamic view. I hope you will take proper action soon.

Thanks

Posted by anissa_22
I was reading a copy of this book by M Masroor Kahn Saroha that we have at home last night, kindly recommended by my brothers old mesaab, but which I didnt bother to pick up til recently. He said that it is the best book for sunnis. i have found loads of rules set out in the book, but there is no ref to the sources from which the rules are taken at all!

I was assured that this is a very reliable source. does anyone know anything about its credibility or have an opinion on its content?

I would be grateful for any feedback!

A few questions:

1) What is your mesaab's opinion on muslim girls dating/marrying hindu boyfriends?

2) According to that book, which your mesaab said is the best book for sunnis, is a muslim girl allowed to date or marry a hindu guy?

3) According to your mesaab and that book if a muslim girl had children from a hindu husband would such children be classed as legitimate or illegitimate?

4) According to your mesaab or/and that book what is the punishment for a muslim girl who has a physical relationship with a hindu guy?

Look forward to reading your answers.

[Nur]

Originally posted by Amar-Sonar-Bangla
You Do have the undeniable right to express yourself. However, do so in a non-confrontational and civil manner without inciting comment or targetting any particular member.


Else it's upto admin to decide whether you should be barred from Bangladesh.Com.

In any case you were warned via e-mail, to cease and desist posting the same thread on all over Bangladesh.Com but failed to heed this warning.


As for my alleged abuse of power. I believe most B.Commer's agree with my actions. As you can see from the replies, you will not garner much support by your disgusting and transparant attacks upon a female B.Commer.




Please acquaint yourself with Bangladesh.Com policy. When you post, you agree to desist from the following:



Transmit any message, information, data, text, or other materials ("Content") that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, that may be invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;



Please modify your behaviour accordingly.

Being a moderator myself, who uses the power of editing/deleting sparingly, I am very well aware of the rules and in fact it is you who are in breach of the rules. You are not supposed to edit a post simply because a personal friend of yours finds it offensive. I have been personally attacked and insulted for my beliefs but i have never resported to editing or deleting posts as a result. In fact in the very same thread (http://www.bangladesh.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=13318) in which you deleted my post another member, yayati, called me the first "Islamic Nazi" which clearly violates the rules you have quoted.

yayati

mr longhi = sgb

how sad and predictable.

mr. nur = first islamic nazi
what a joker.

I am sure the rules do not allow you to be selective and biased towards your personal friends on the site.

You yourself are very offensive and confrontational and are the last person who can accuse others of being offensive and confrontational!



[Edited by Nur on 17th May 2003 at 07:31]

[Amar-Sonar-Bangla]

Being a new moderator, I have not been given sufficient cause to utilise the delete/edit tab much often, before yesterday. I was glad of that. Regular poster’s on Bangladesh.Com will agree that I am an admirer and fervent supporter of democracy, free speech and expression. However, your thinly veiled attacks upon anissa_22 and her personal lifestyle have unfortunately moved me to a course of action I would much rather have preferred to avoid.

Poster’s have the right to post without being singled out for attack and ridicule. Intimidation and speculation into their intimate family life.

Nevertheless, I have maintained and preserved your right to freedom of speech and expression by permitting you to post your concerns on Muslim/Hindu marriages on the Open and Personal forums. I communicated the same via e-mail. Asking you to post within those two posts. In an effort to ensure that the B.Com boards were not cluttered with superflueous threads and posts. A matter commented upon by other B.Commer’s. Threads and posts which invariably degenerate into mutual acrimony and personal insults. Your freedoms and prerogatives were not impinged upon.

I was also forced to take the extreme measure of closing threads, where comment’s had degenerated into personal insults as to the sincerity of faith and sexual orientations of B.Com members. I see no merit in allowing such threads to continue.




Bangladesh.Com is an forum visited by ppl of all denominations and faiths. I felt that the following two points in particular were generalisations and would cause offence to hindu visitors on Bangladesh.Com.

It would be akin to a non-Muslim calling a Muslim a paedophile, because our nabi (PBUH) married Aisha at the age of 9. Such an ignorant generalisation, meant to cause hurt, would offend me as a Muslim. Therefore, I am moved to protect the sensibilities of the faith of another.


Nur:
4) if her family or relatives in bangladesh used cow pat as a fuel instead of worshipping it would she be offended? what would she do if her husband was offended and stopped her from seeing her family again.

5) If her husband died before her would she make the ultimate sacrifice and burn herself to ashes with his dead body.



In response to the baseless accusation, that I am biased, I must say I have never deleted the posts of another B.Com member without due reason. Such as an anti-semetic sentiment or personal attack. Indeed I locked the 'Speech on Iraq' thread precisely because of Yayati’s personal insult to Hac. Had I any ulterior motives, one would think I would delete the thread 'Challenge to Sonar and Anisa,' a thread which personally questioned my faith and asked me to prove the same!

In addition, I would like to ask my accusers of any instance in which I have called another B.Commer a disbeliever (secular/kaffir etc), even though I've had this hurtful insult hurled at me on several occassions, most recently from my accuser Nur.

[Edited by Amar-Sonar-Bangla on 17th May 2003 at 07:03]

[shunar-moyna]

lol
u see what happens when moyna aint a mod mr admin...all this bull crap!!!!
little dumb quarrels between two fellow mods...

make me a mod mr admin, no actually make me admin mr admin...coz its not like u always here...anyways am gone

Nice

[hac]

Dear Moderator

I feel compelled to add a note to you as I feel that the actions of Sonar, your newest moderator, have greatly affected the mood of the Religion forum, which he feels needs his constant attention and censorship.

I have witnessed at around 10 perfectly good posts being delted or edited by Sonar without any justification, despite his lengthy rebuttal (I keep telling him we're not in Court now) or 'excuse' as I call it.

I have been writing on this forum since Jan 2001. I would like to think that I have contributed positively on the forum, as I have never been aware of any complaint made against me (but am aware of plenty of positive remarks - just for the record). Furthermore, I am aware that Nur has been posting for longer than this and was actually encouraged to join the forum when I read a debate between him and a Born Again Christian called 'BornAgain' some years ago - his conduct and knowledge brought me back to the forum.

I feel it is important to mention Nur's long-standing contribution as I have never seen such a personal tirade against him from anyone, never mind muslims and it seems that there is an underlying personal issue rather than anything related to concern for forum members.

Sonar has for some time now chosen to be controversial in his approach and began his posts to Nur with a straight forward attack on hs character. I do not appreciate his attitude generally, but coupled with his new found editorial powers, it has gone too far.

I have never complained when insulted on the forum, I am more than capable of replying for myself (and I never take it to personally), so I did not understand Sonar's locking a thread to protect me from his friend Yayati's abuse (Speeches on Iraq thread). It all stinks a little bit, as I really did not feel there was a need for him to interfere. Nobody had complained. In fact it was a very lively thread with many contributors. Rather than delete his friends posts, as any normal Mod would, he decided to lock the thread. Why??? I seemed a little underhand to say the least.

Since then there have been numerous locked threads, edits, deleted posts causing much anger at such censorship.

So I ask you , dear Administrator, to find that happy medium again, to stop Sonar becoming the dictator on the forums that he so clearly wishes to become and to allow muslims to voice their islamic opinions in at least the Religion forum.

Many thanks in advance,

Hac

[SNOOP_KUTHA]

lol

id just like the admin to consider a few things...

dear admin

kita gor, bala asoth ni? u wont be after readin this thread

firstly id like to say...this is bangladesh.com right? not islam.com...you see sometimes the name of the site becomes
vivid after reading certain peoples comments,its strange that

now bearing in mind that this is bangladesh.com website and nowhere does it state you have to be a perfect muslim to feel welcome here without being victimised..right?

everyone from all backgrounds is welcome as long as there intentions are good

GOOD, im glad we cleared that up


NOW this whole situation going on right now, like someones allready mentioned nurs intentions for starting threads about muslim girl with a indianman

now if this thread was opened to discuss the matter, then fair enough, theres no problems with that but when its directed at another member to make them feel bad..theres something wrong with that, aint there admin?

now nur, dont deny the facts that you didnt open the thread just to get at anisa, if it was for discussion you wouldnt be posting the questions as replies to anisa's posts..would you?

instead of publicly trying to shame a member of b.com if he was really so interested in the topic couldnt he have e-mailed her? and if his saying the threads aint directed at her, then why does he keep posting the same questions as replies to her posts specifically?

yes nur has been here a long time and has had a clean past..that doesnt make what his doing right now...any less pathethic does it?

im sure hitler was once a adorable kid..but then he grew up and became a tosser..now just because he was a adorable kid once doesnt make what he did in his later life any less brutal does it?

you keepin up with this admin? oh good, coz i aint finished yet


now i think asb had a right to delete the threads and lock the threads because they had degenerated into insults and comments that werent relevant...and all the negativity seemed to be directed at anisa

and thats just out of order and unfair

now admin, where in the b.com sign up form did it say..if we werent perfect muslims we would be victimised on this site?

because i didnt see that bit when i signed up, should i have read the small print?


p.s. nur who gave you the right to be able to judge what any muslim does? are you a perfect muslim? no your not..otherwise you wouldnt be ranting and raving like you have during this situation...and anyway..i thought islam was about peace?


p.s.s

[b]My point in asking her these questions was to point out the hypocrisy in her attacking an idea by saying that it is against Islam yet at the same time defending ideas that are clearly against the Islamic view. [b]


like i mentioned before, this is bangladesh.com..not islam.com..so just because someone doesnt follow islam as they should..shouldnt make anyone feel any less welcome...trust me, more then half the members wont be here if we had to be perfect muslims to join.





[Edited by SNOOP_KUTHA on 17th May 2003 at 15:51]